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King
Title: CTE
Joined: Apr 27 2008
Location: Harrisburg, PA
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Why and how is Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time not an RPG?
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JoshWoodzy
Joined: May 22 2008
Location: Goshen, VA
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Well if you like at the time when OoT came out, RPGs were usually defined by the following.:
Numbered HP/MP system
Experience Points
Numbered stats for the character or equipment
A party
I mean, Resident Evil 4 has more statistics for weapons and such than OoT. Is it an RPG? I don't think so.
I think it's subjective, and people can call it whatever they want. I consider it an action/adventure game with very small RPG elements.
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Cameron
Title: :O � O:
Joined: Feb 01 2008
Location: St. Louis, MO
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| 6. Castlevania: Dawn of Souls/ Harmony of Dissonance (it's a tieeeeee) |
Love those games, but they are not RPGs. If they were, so would SoTN, and it would be on the top of my list. Definitely a platformer. |
They're action/RPGs, as is Symphony of the Night.
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Well if you like at the time when OoT came out, RPGs were usually defined by the following.:
Numbered HP/MP system
Experience Points
Numbered stats for the character or equipment
A party
I mean, Resident Evil 4 has more statistics for weapons and such than OoT. Is it an RPG? I don't think so.
I think it's subjective, and people can call it whatever they want. I consider it an action/adventure game with very small RPG elements. |
Basically, this. I consider an RPG (or at least any other genre/RPG) to be any game in which you gain experience points in order to level up/grow stronger, with said experience points being garnered via fighting and/or defeating opponents. The only Zelda game in which that happens is Zelda II.
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Ash Burton
Title: AshRaiser
Joined: Nov 10 2008
Location: Florida
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10. Lufia II
9. Breath of Fire IV
8. Dragon Quest IX
7. Super Mario RPG
6. Final Fantasy III
5. Chrono Trigger
4. Earthbound
3. Final Fantasy 7
2. Panzer Dragoon Saga
1. XenoGears
Individuals who decided to bash other RPG's and not just list his favorites or just people I don't like:
* GPFontaine
* Burt Reynolds
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| joshwoodzy wrote: |
Ash is probably just home humping his SNES collection.
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GPFontaine
Joined: Dec 06 2007
Location: Connecticut
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| Ash Burton wrote: |
10. Lufia II
9. Breath of Fire IV
8. Dragon Quest IX
7. Super Mario RPG
6. Final Fantasy III
5. Chrono Trigger
4. Earthbound
3. Final Fantasy 7
2. Panzer Dragoon Saga
1. XenoGears
Individuals who decided to bash other RPG's and not just list his favorites or just people I don't like:
* GPFontaine
* Burt Reynolds |
Ouch...
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King
Title: CTE
Joined: Apr 27 2008
Location: Harrisburg, PA
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I do so hate the bashing of other's lists, and love your sig Ash, combining my love of Iron Maiden and Neo Geo, BRILLIANT!!!
But I do like GPFontaine, so can't back ya on all of it, good list though huge props for Xenogears
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Ash Burton
Title: AshRaiser
Joined: Nov 10 2008
Location: Florida
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| GPFontaine wrote: |
| Ash Burton wrote: |
10. Lufia II
9. Breath of Fire IV
8. Dragon Quest IX
7. Super Mario RPG
6. Final Fantasy III
5. Chrono Trigger
4. Earthbound
3. Final Fantasy 7
2. Panzer Dragoon Saga
1. XenoGears
Individuals who decided to bash other RPG's and not just list his favorites or just people I don't like:
* GPFontaine
* Burt Reynolds |
Ouch... |
Cmon GP, you know I'm playing. Notice it says or, Burt Reynolds is the one I don't like  I was just upset at you slamming my childhood faves.
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| joshwoodzy wrote: |
Ash is probably just home humping his SNES collection.
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@om*d
Title: Dorakyura
Joined: Jul 10 2010
Location: Castlevania
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I think a role playing game should have more character interaction, as in conversations with townfolk/quests/missions whatever. If it does not contain something along those lines, I don't really consider it a RPG. Just my personal opinion.
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taterfyrings
Joined: Sep 25 2009
Location: Bergen, Norway
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My opinion is that it is an rpg if two conditions are met. First, if it is an important part of the game that your character grows stronger throughout the game. This however, does not have to be only by fighting enemies and leveling up as Cameron states, it can also be by exploring and finding, lets say, heart pieces. In this understanding, The Legend of Zelda-series would also be an rpg-series. What most Zelda-games lack however, and which is the other important characteristics of an rpg, is customization. And that is why I would agree that most Zelda-games are not really rpgs, but adventure-games with rpg- and action-elements. However, if what Nintendo has said about Skyward Sword is correct, than I will probably consider that one an action-rpg as you will have much more variety in equipment, giving you quite a bit of that customization.
This definition would also say that games that are extremely similar
to that Zelda-experience, like Illusion of Gaia, are not really rpg-s, as the customization is almost non-existant there, and I think that you can also question a game like Secret of Mana by the same reasoning. While on the other hand, games that are not usually considered rpgs, like the Yakuza-games, goes as rpgs by this definition, and I think that is really what those games are.
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slapolakinkaido
Title: Illegitimate Son of God
Joined: Jul 14 2009
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Maybe I should have called the thread 'Top ten non-action RPGs' . I'm unsure as to confirm that the folllowing are RPGs..
Secret of Mana....about 60% RPG
Crystalis.....about 45% RPG
Soulblazer.....about 40% RPG
Illusion of Gaia....about 40% RPG
Any Zelda game.....about 25% RPG
Mega Man III.... about -50% RPG
All games with RPG elements, but only to various degrees.
(I really just pulled those percentages out of my ass so, don't ask)
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