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Syd Lexia
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PostPosted: Feb 05 2008 11:33 am Reply with quote Back to top

Nintendo REALLY needs to ramp up its VC releases.

We got ONE game last week, a crappy N64 snowboarding game and two this week, Columns 3 and the NES version of Operation Wolf. Are you fucking kidding me?

And Operation Wolf doesn't even have light gun support, which is disgraceful considering the Wiimote IS A FUCKING LIGHT GUN!

They should have given us the TG16 version of Operation Wolf. It wasn't quite arcade pefect, but it was much nicer than the shitty NES version. And sure it was a Japan-only game, but the amount of actual Japanese text was negligible.

I implore everyone to write angry letters to Nintendo's customer support about the VC BS.
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PostPosted: Feb 05 2008 01:07 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I wish I had this problem.

But my problem is not finding a god damn Wii. No one has it. Sigh. Write letters to complain about VC but also include a complaint about them not ramping up production on the Wii.

And I refuse to buy one thru eBay and their marked up prices.


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PostPosted: Feb 05 2008 01:54 pm Reply with quote Back to top

It's hard to see why you are complaining, as you promote using roms.


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PostPosted: Feb 05 2008 02:06 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Actually, I don't promote using ROMs. It's true that I use them, but only because there's lot of stuff out there that's not readily available to people. However, I don't allow ROM requests on the boards and the one ROM that was ever offered on the site, SMB2J, was taken down the day it went on the Virtual Console.

When given the choice, I would much rather play a game on my big screen TV with a real controller than on my computer. And I really like having the option to cheat via save states taken away. Having used ROMs for screengrabs, save states have become second nature to me. I can't play a game on an emulator and not use them, no matter how are try. Things like the VC and Mega Man X Collection force me to play better, and I like that a lot.
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PostPosted: Feb 05 2008 07:16 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
Actually, I don't promote using ROMs. It's true that I use them, but only because there's lot of stuff out there that's not readily available to people. However, I don't allow ROM requests on the boards and the one ROM that was ever offered on the site, SMB2J, was taken down the day it went on the Virtual Console.

When given the choice, I would much rather play a game on my big screen TV with a real controller than on my computer. And I really like having the option to cheat via save states taken away. Having used ROMs for screengrabs, save states have become second nature to me. I can't play a game on an emulator and not use them, no matter how are try. Things like the VC and Mega Man X Collection force me to play better, and I like that a lot.

I don't know of any emulators that save naturally.

But I agree with you Syd, the real thing is always better.


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PostPosted: Feb 05 2008 08:07 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Can you play VC multiplayer games with others online?
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PostPosted: Feb 05 2008 08:38 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Well, I am getting disappointed in the Virtual Console releases lately. I was hoping that Nintendo would either release more import games or Super Mario RPG.

However, my view will change soon enough when Nintendo and Sega release Master System games onto the Virtual Console.


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PostPosted: Feb 05 2008 08:52 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I just find it funny how everyone was talking about how great the wii was, and now all I hear are complaints about stuff.

and considering most video cards have an output to TV, and you can hook up a controller using an adapter, it's pretty much just as good if not better. I can't warrant spending ten bucks on a game thats ten years old, aside from a collector's standpoint, which is kind of moot considering you're downloading it to a videogame console and not getting a hard copy.


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PostPosted: Feb 05 2008 09:19 pm Reply with quote Back to top

erock462 wrote:
Can you play VC multiplayer games with others online?

As far as I know, these are straight ROM's of the game w/no online functionality to it.

Now, XBox Live Arcade games have been upgraded to include online functionality w/old school games, like Contra. You can play that online two player. I forget what others, but that is one thing XBL has over the VC.


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PostPosted: Feb 05 2008 09:27 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Not exactly straight ROMS. F-Zero X has some enhancements, Tecmo Bowl has no player names since EA has the license, small stuff like that.


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PostPosted: Feb 05 2008 09:30 pm Reply with quote Back to top

DarknessDeku wrote:
I don't know of any emulators that save naturally.

Well, what do you mean by save "naturally"? There aren't many emulators that autosave if that's what you mean, but most emulators let you insta-save by mashing F2 or F5. And when you're reviewing a game, you pretty much rely on this feature because you often find yourself needing to retake screenshots.
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PostPosted: Feb 05 2008 09:38 pm Reply with quote Back to top

ZSNES usually saves a state when I save in-game.


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PostPosted: Feb 05 2008 09:58 pm Reply with quote Back to top

JEW wrote:
I just find it funny how everyone was talking about how great the wii was, and now all I hear are complaints about stuff.

I have no problem with the system itself. The sytem is pretty great and it has some great games that I fucking love and it's very fun to play those games. However the console has two very big problems, both of which Nintendo could very easily fix if they wanted to. These problems are:

1. A terrible online strategy
Before the Wii came out, Nintendo was touting how they were better than Microsoft because they weren't going to charge for their online gaming and everyone was psyched. Unfortunately, it turns out that Nintendo was just stating the obvious. They couldn't charge for their online service, because no one in their right mind would pay for it. No netplay on VC games? Separate friend codes for every fucking game? 1-3 games released on the VC each week? What in the fuck? Nintendo should be releasing SIX games on the Virtual Console each week. One should be an import, one should be a bonafide classic, and the other four can be complete shit or hidden gems or whatever. The Friend Code thing is beyond gay. For a company that has spent many of its post censorship days claiming that it doesn't sell "kiddie systems", they were awfully quick to embrace an alarmist "Oh my fucking god if we let you have one friend code for everything, pedophiles will kidnap your childrens!!!" strategy for online gaming. It's beyond retarded.

2. The fucking hard drive.
It's almost a good thing that so much uninteresting shit comes out on the VC because Nintendo gave us dick for HD space on the Wii and they repeatedly refuse to release an external hard drive despite the incredible demand for it. Are they fucking stupid? A HD is necessary in this day and age. Not only does it give us room for VC games, it allows for game patches and extra downloadable content such as Guitar Hero song packs.

Again, both these problems are easily fixable. Will Nintendo fix them? Probably not. The problem with Nintendo is that while they can make a great game, they don't make good business decisions. When everyone else was switching to CDs, Nintendo stayed with cartridges. Result? They lost a lot of third party support. Then when everyone else was switching to DVDs, Nintendo used mini DVDs. Result? The Gamecube was home to the last multi-disc console games, and they failed to win back as much third party support as they could have. Nintendo resisted online gaming in the lastgen and they continue to resist it in this generation. Like or not, online gaming is par for the course. And Nintendo has given themselves a major handicap.
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PostPosted: Feb 05 2008 10:05 pm Reply with quote Back to top

If you could play the N64 games online with the VC id go out and buy a wii. In fact Id buy on for every friend i know.
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PostPosted: Feb 05 2008 10:20 pm Reply with quote Back to top

you would think by now someone would have figured out how to make an external HDD work through usb on this thing.

they can turn a dreamcast into a webserver, but they can't manage to do this?


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PostPosted: Feb 05 2008 10:29 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
DarknessDeku wrote:
I don't know of any emulators that save naturally.

Well, what do you mean by save "naturally"? There aren't many emulators that autosave if that's what you mean, but most emulators let you insta-save by mashing F2 or F5. And when you're reviewing a game, you pretty much rely on this feature because you often find yourself needing to retake screenshots.


Let's take the original Legend of Zelda as an example. On an actual NES, when you die, it will give you the option to save. If you do it then it really will save.

Lets say you are playing the same game on an emulator. You die, and take the option to save, it doesn't really save. So you are stuck with save states.

So I agree with you about dropping save states and start being able to save like you are actually playing on a NES.


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PostPosted: Feb 05 2008 10:31 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I can save on my roms without save states. Dunno why you can't.
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PostPosted: Feb 05 2008 10:32 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Any emulator I've ever played on will let you save naturally if you really want to. The problem comes when you start mixing save states with actual saving. If you load a save state, that overwrites the battery save. So let's say you had been playing the game with save states, then you decided to start playing it through without them. Let's say you beat four dungeons in Legend of Zelda. Then let's say you accidentally loaded one of your save states. Your battery save will be wiped out and replaced with whatever the battery saves were like on the emulator save state.
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PostPosted: Feb 05 2008 10:35 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
Any emulator I've ever played on will let you save naturally if you really want to. The problem comes when you start mixing save states with actual saving. If you load a save state, that overwrites the battery save. So let's say you had been playing the game with save states, then you decided to start playing it through without them. Let's say you beat four dungeons in Legend of Zelda. Then let's say you accidentally loaded one of your save states. Your battery save will be wiped out and replaced with whatever the battery saves were like on the emulator save state.

I had no idea they did that. Besides, I rarely use an emulator.


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Syd Lexia wrote:
Any emulator I've ever played on will let you save naturally if you really want to. The problem comes when you start mixing save states with actual saving. If you load a save state, that overwrites the battery save. So let's say you had been playing the game with save states, then you decided to start playing it through without them. Let's say you beat four dungeons in Legend of Zelda. Then let's say you accidentally loaded one of your save states. Your battery save will be wiped out and replaced with whatever the battery saves were like on the emulator save state.

Happened to me on my Beath of Fire. Accidently loaded a save state from way back when.
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PostPosted: Feb 05 2008 10:40 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I usually just make a savestate at the spot whewre I would normally save, or use a controller so I'm not near the keyboard to begin with.


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PostPosted: Feb 07 2008 12:21 am Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
Nintendo REALLY needs to ramp up its VC releases.

We got ONE game last week, a crappy N64 snowboarding game


!!!

1080 Snowboarding was the shit. Nintendo even made a sequel for the GC. But other than that, it has been.. dropping. I think Lolo 2 came out this week, so there.


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PostPosted: Feb 07 2008 01:32 am Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
Any emulator I've ever played on will let you save naturally if you really want to. The problem comes when you start mixing save states with actual saving. If you load a save state, that overwrites the battery save. So let's say you had been playing the game with save states, then you decided to start playing it through without them. Let's say you beat four dungeons in Legend of Zelda. Then let's say you accidentally loaded one of your save states. Your battery save will be wiped out and replaced with whatever the battery saves were like on the emulator save state.

I did this once with Final Fantasy 6 on Zsnes Smile

I shat bricks
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PostPosted: Feb 07 2008 10:54 am Reply with quote Back to top

I did that once with a translated version of Final Fantasy IV Hard Type. Well, sort of. I hadn't been using the save points at all, just the save states. Then during the battle with the three sisters, I accidentally backed myself into a position where I couldn't win. If I had been using the save points, I could have just let myself die and restart right near that battle. But since I hadn't been using them, I had to start the whole fucking game over.
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PostPosted: Feb 08 2008 04:44 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I'm still waiting for Super Mario RPG, Sega Master System games and more imports.


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