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Syd Lexia
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Monday night's RAW drew a 3.2 rating, its lowest rating in eleven years.
When is Vince gonna finally learn?
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erock
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I watched it and i have to say it was better than previous ones. I'm glad Jeff Hardy is finally getting some recognition. But i agree the general RAW is severely down from the Attitude era. The wrestlers now can't sell anything and seem one dimensional. The promos are absolute crap nowadays. And for some reason management pushes starts who get major non-story related heat such as John Cena back in 05-07. The audiences hated the guy yet he never lost. I still don't know why he ever got popular. I remember his debut as a squasher for Angle and Benoit?. When he talked about ruthless aggression. Then not too much later they turn him into a white rapper.
I just don't think they have the athletes who really have the charisma anymore. I used to turn on Smackdown and RAW back in 99-02 and ever yweek it seemed would be great matches. Rock Stone Cold Angle Triple H Bigshow Benoit Jericho etc. The tags back then were better than anything they have today by far. Team extreme Edge and Christian The hollies The dudleys too cool etc. They need to really focus on creating superstars rather than pushing people into the limelight when its not really believable.
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SSNintendo
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Let's not forget that it was up against the National Championship, but it's still a bad rating regardless.
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Tebor
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Like it'll ever be canceled.
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docinsano
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Man, what has happened to Pro Wrestling? I haven't watched a match since around 2002-3 so I'm way out of the loop. But that's only because I got sick of it. I liked the good old days with the Macho Man, Hulk Hogan and the Undertaker. Jake the Snake and Lex Luger and the Million Dollar Man and Yokozuna. Shit yeah, those dudes kicked some ass. I think my days of pro wrestling faded after the whole Stone Cold fiasco got a little to carried away. Blah blah Brett Hart blah blah Shawn Michaels blah blah. That's the last of my memory of pro wrasslin' Maybe I just liked the wrestling more than the entertainment. But that's a different story.
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Bouya
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Attitude era, as big as it was, is what soiled the industry. They were constantly trying to raise the bar and out-shock the competition so much that anything now comes off as less "x-treme" than something that happened between 98-2001. The old format worked just fine, that was used from the 80s until the mid 90s when Vince gave his "we won't have 'good guys' and 'bad guys', we're not here to insult your intelligence" promo. After that... sheesh.
I rather they just go back to the old style of show. Maybe this shift to HD will see a shift in show format as well.
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Syd Lexia
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I don't think wrestling really needs to be in HD. I mean really, what's the point? The porn industry tried switching to HD and they abandoned it almost as quickly as they embraced. No one wanted to see HD implant scars and I'm pretty sure no one wants to see HD Triple H razorblade forehead scars.
The WWE needs to go back to do the days when they actually pretended wrestling was a sport. You know, when there was a commissioner (Jack Tunney) who actually tried to uphold some sort of order instead of being just another spineless McMahon lackey. When guys actually actually cared about their win-loss records.
Vince McMahon's days as an onscreen personality need to end. It worked during the Attitude Era, but now it's just dumb. Vince's onscreen character has devolved into this batshit crazy retard who runs the WWE for his own amusement, treats his wrestlers like clowns, and has an irrational hatred of every face and tweener on the roster.
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Knyte
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Syd Lexia wrote: |
Vince's onscreen character has devolved into this batshit crazy retard who runs the WWE for his own amusement, treats his wrestlers like clowns, and has an irrational hatred of every face and tweener on the roster. |
Are you sure you're not confusing TV McMahon with the real one, again?
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Bouya
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Syd Lexia wrote: |
The WWE needs to go back to do the days when they actually pretended wrestling was a sport. You know, when there was a commissioner (Jack Tunney) who actually tried to uphold some sort of order instead of being just another spineless McMahon lackey. When guys actually actually cared about their win-loss records.
Vince McMahon's days as an onscreen personality need to end. It worked during the Attitude Era, but now it's just dumb. Vince's onscreen character has devolved into this batshit crazy retard who runs the WWE for his own amusement, treats his wrestlers like clowns, and has an irrational hatred of every face and tweener on the roster. |
I'm totally with you on the first part. I've been watching old Royal Rumbles over the last week or so, and to hear Jack Tunney get involved, and have him be taken seriously by the characters as a good authority figure, gave the show a proper structure imo.
As far as Mr. McMahon being offscreen... blame Benoit.
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SSNintendo
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I was watching the 1990 Royal Rumble match today, and the crowd was pretty damn hot for that one. You don't see that much today.
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TheRoboSleuth
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Bouya
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Hows TNA doing? |
Ratingswise, like a 1.2 or a 1.8 is their biggest rating afaik.
TNA has a decent roster, but the stories are pretty poorly played out, and their show feels like someone channel-surfing five or six wrestling shows at the same time. Seems like the camera never stays in place for more than 2-3 seconds during a match, and they dedicate like 30 minutes to a running skit throughout each show I've seen, just for the sake of making one good oneliner. Also, the fans at the shows try to chant as often as possible, but it doesn't seem like a hot crowd, it just seems like a pack of people desperately trying to turn TNA into a new-era ECW thing.
I think with a different team in charge of the show's production, the same content could be run on-air and be 10x better, tbh.
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TNA seems like a weak wwe brand. I mean half the roster are people from the wwe. Angle Booker Nash Steiner Gail kim Scott Hall Team 3d The new age outlaws etc etc. You could make an entire show just about the people who left the wwe.
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Knyte
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erock462 wrote: |
TNA seems like a weak wwe brand. I mean half the roster are people from the wwe. Angle Booker Nash Steiner Gail kim Scott Hall Team 3d The new age outlaws etc etc. You could make an entire show just about the people who left the wwe. |
Well, here's to hoping that TNA doesn't fall into the WCW trap. When you are starting out and trying to get attention, then it is great to use already well known stars, as that will bring fans in. The trick is to have an equal injection of new talent mixed with the older vets, as to create new stars to carry the ball.
WCW made one new real star in it's prime: Goldberg. That's it. The rest of the shows focused on Hogan/Nash/Hall/Flair/Sting/Luger/etc. It wasn't until they were already failing hopelessly, that they tried to create new superstar talent, and by then it was too late.
TNA has a good mix at the moment, as Samoa Joe, AJ Styles, Petey Williams, Abyss, Black Machesmo, etc are on par with Nash, Angle, 3D, Sting, Christian, etc. (Although Christian is kinda an inbetween, as he never had a chance to carry the ball in the main events until TNA.)
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erock
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Don't forget the motor city machine guns.
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Syd Lexia
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And Shark Boy!
And the Playa from the Himalayas, Sonjay Dutt.
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