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Posted: Jan 14 2008 07:44 am

Since the McCain thread has shifted towards politics in general, I figure I might as well ask: what would all of you do if you were elected president of the US in November 2008 and took office in January 2009?

Here's my plan:

1. Immediate withdrawl of all troops from Iraq and Afghanistan.
Yes, this would be bad for Iraq and Afghanistan. But it would be good for America. The cost that America is paying in taxes and American lives isn't worth the reward. It's a lot cheaper to rebuild a few blowed up buildings every couple of years than it is to fight unwinnable wars against fanatical terrorists with home field advantage. And these wars are unwinnable. Did the British win the Revolutionary War? Did America win Vietnam? Did Russia win in Afghanistan? Fuck no. So why do people think we can win in Iraq and Afghanistan? I saw we give up. I don't really care what happens to those countries. I care about Americans.

2. Close the borders entirely.
If immigration is outlaws, only outlaws will immigrate. And then we can shoot them.

3. Lower the federal drinking age to 18 again.
We send our high school graduates off to fight an unwinnable war, but we won't let them drink? Bullshit.

4. No more Homeland Security.
What a fucking waste of money. There's nothing HS is doing that FBI, CIA, NSA, and DOD can't do instead.

There's probably other departments that I'd cut down or eliminate as well. I would not increase spending on anything, especially not social programs. I would run a bare bones government that you barely noticed and I would use isolationism as my main foreign policy.

America: Fuck you, we got our own problems.

Posted: Jan 14 2008 09:25 am

Basically everything that Syd just said. Also, legalized marijuana. A populace that's stoned out of their minds is a populace that's easier to control.

Posted: Jan 14 2008 09:53 am

Nice thread...

Not being a US citizen I'm probably not best placed to judge but my thoughts on US problems are so:

For such a huge country, America seems far too reliant on the rest of the world for its imports, power, investments etc, thus its always had an agressive foreign policy to support this. Of course, this was fine when America appeared so powerful with its free market, strong dollar and skyscrapers - Countries feared not being in America's good books. However, times have changed. The US is teetering on the brink of recession, its armies over-stretched, its consumers tightening their belts. The US suddenly doesn't seem the centre of the world. Unfortunately, a switch to isolationism would cause it to implode. If other countries all decide the US has little to offer and withdraw its investments and sell all there dollars, there would be serious problems.

So, I would start a drive towards better self-sufficientcy. America need to ween itself off oil, become more enviromentally friendly, use its huge land-mass to produce its own food and fuel and lead the field in efficent technology.

The biggest problem I have with America is that, as the self-proclaimed Best Country In The World, its people get a pretty raw deal. Personally, I think a free health service is an absolute must for the US. How can it tell the world how to be when its own people can't see a doctor for free and huge mistakes like the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina were allowed to take place. To pay for a free health service, perhaps a tax increase on the seriously rich and a cut to the military budget, after a quick exit from Iraq and Afghanistan.

Tricky stuff. Reminds me of playing Civilisation.

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Syd Lexia wrote:

I would use isolationism as my main foreign policy.

While isolationism is our default position, if we intend to participate in global trade, we cannot realistically not be involved in international relations. That was one of the many lessons of the world wars. That's why I would prefer this country to be self-sufficient so we can truly tell the world to go screw itself.

I would:

- Start drilling for oil in ANWR. This relates to the self-sufficency goal. Alaska is a large state, and ANWR is a very small part of it. There's plenty of other land for the caribou to graze on.

- Post a $1 Billion award for anyone who can crack fusion technology or efficient solar power so that we can move away from oil.

- Dissolve numerous Federal Departments such as the Department of Education & Labor.

- Cut numerous social programs, using the money to pay off the national debt and to increase soldiers' pay.

- Institute severe penalties on businesses who hire illegals and don't check their documentation/SS#'s. With no market for cheap labor, illegals will naturally migrate back without a costly deportation program.

- Make the Bush Tax Cuts Permanent, Institute a Flat Tax, and dissolve the IRS.

- Abolish Inheritance Tax and the Capital Gains Tax.

- Expand NATO outside of the Atlantic Ocean, making it an alliance of democratic nations. Japan, Australia, & Israel would be great members.

Posted: Jan 14 2008 03:33 pm

I would rule with an iron fist and my motto: "What Would Cobra Commander Do?"

A bit more seriously, I agree with the whole isolationism movement. There's so many problems with this country already that we are not equipped to protect nor police the rest of the world. Now, giving aid to other countries that have suffered disasters, fine. But let's just eliminate the idea that we need to protect everybody, cause we do a crappy job pretending that we actually care about that. Special apologies to Africa which has gotten the biggest shaft of all during this period.

Off oil, I'd follow the fears of the Lone Gunmen. A lack of dependency on oil will only lead to more products requiring oil. I suggest creating more virtual offices (although I worked in one last year and they suck in terms of discipline) as to eliminate the need for cars. Set a national limit on how many vehicles a family can own. I know that will piss off those kids that want cars for their 16th birthday, but the automobile population is exploding just as high as the population. With any luck we can slap on some PR about how it will reduce drunk driving.

The car limitation dream of mine is not well thought out and a quick solution to a bigger problem. The Isolationist position may work for a year, but it could lead to trouble. While there's a few other liberal things I'd actually like to see get done, I realize that this is a flawed podium to preach those issues.

Let me conclude by saying that if my Cobra Commander stance on issues doesn't work, I will switch to the Shredder party. Before the reelection, I would form a Skeletor based dictatorship. Twisted Evil

Posted: Jan 14 2008 06:55 pm

It is possible to practice foreign policy isolationism without practicing economic isolation. In fact, when your foreign policy revolves around doing nothing, you tend to find you have more trade partners. If you're not embargoing Cuba or quibbling with Iran and Venezuala, those are trading partners you didn't have before. And when you're not installing missiles and spy equipment in Turkey, you don't piss off Russia. If you don't do anything on the international stage, then you never do the wrong thing. Look at the UN... rarely do take significant action against anything, but they're one of the most revered organizations on the planet.

Char Aznable wrote:

Basically everything that Syd just said. Also, legalized marijuana. A populace that's stoned out of their minds is a populace that's easier to control.

Actually, if control is your reason for wanting to legalize it, I recommend keeping it illegal. By keeping it illegal, people think they're being all rebellious and shit by smoking it. In actuality, they are making themselves more docile.

Posted: Jan 14 2008 07:48 pm

First off, I agree with Syd's point of withdrawing all troops from Affy and Iraq. In fact, I would pull troops from all foreign sites around the world. It shouldn't be USA's duty to police the world, and nor should we bully it. We recall all troops, and downsize the entire armed forces, so that we only have enough active duty members to properly defend US borders. If WW3 breaks out, then we can re-institute the draft.

With all that extra billions of dollars no longer being spent on the military, we can move those funds to public education, and bring back music and art classes and such. If the Military needs more money, let them sell candy bars for a change.

Increase border security. Two chain link fences don't do shit. 18 foot concrete walls with electrified razor wire on top would work much better. Also, if you don't speak english (The national language), you automatically cannot become a american citizen, and therefore cannot work in this country. (Exceptions will only be made for luchelibres wanting to wrestle in the US)

Rape, Child Moilestion, and Severe Child Abuse will now punishable by Death.

Pre-meditated Murder will be punishable by death. No exceptions.

All executions will be made public, and done in city squares.

In fact, in the case of child molesters and rapists, they will placed in stocks in a public place 48 hours before their execution . Odds are, they won't live to see their pre-scheduled execution day. Oh well.

All non-comercial vehicals sold after January 1st 2009 will have to have a fuel econimy rating of 60 MPG to be sold in the US.

Companys whose total sales consist of more than 70% alternative fuel vehicals(Electric, Bio-Diesel, etc.) will receive reasonable tax breaks.

Federal Income tax will be a flat 15%. I don't care if you make $10,000 a year ($1,500 in taxes) or $10,000,000 a year ($1,500,000 in taxes). No breaks, no cuts, nothing. You get a pay check, the 15% is automatically withdrawn. No need for IRS anymore, as there is no overpaying/underpaying, no need to audit. A small task force may be put in the IRS's place, to make sure that no one is being paid "under the table."

More to come, I'm sure.

Posted: Jan 14 2008 08:30 pm

America's economy is fixed around permanent expansion as opposed to a subtle, balanced economy of true isolationist countries such as Switzerland. It would take a long time for the US to change from the worlds consumer to the a producer. And in that time, there would be lots of US companies in a strange limbo. What happens in that time would be interesting, and critical.

But, i'm not sure the people would like no longer being the biggest player on the field. Even if it was for their best interests.

But sod this, Knyte has just opened this all up. I'm gonna take a step back.... Razz

Posted: Jan 14 2008 08:41 pm

Knyte wrote:

Premeditated Murder will be punishable by death. No exceptions.

I disagree with this. What if your dad or your uncle or someone sexually abuses you from the time you're eight til the time you're fifteen and finally get ahold of a gun and blow his fucking head off? That's premeditated, but it's certainly justifiable. I think murder that isn't premeditated is actually worse than murder that is. If you kill someone without any sort of premeditation, like in a fit of rage or something, you're probably a lot sicker in the head than someone who kills their wife's lover or the boss that fired them.

Posted: Jan 14 2008 09:04 pm

I hope to be a lawyer someday, maybe a politician. Right now, though, I don't know enough about the state of the US to write something. Sure, I know that we have to get away from oil and stop importing as much, as well as withdraw troops from Iraq and reform Social Security so that to get the benefits you'll have to be below a certain income level. Also, I'd institute a flat tax of 15%, basically what Knyte said.

And I'd have a legal age for marijuana. Probably 18. I'd also bring the drinking age down to 18.

Posted: Jan 14 2008 09:26 pm

Syd Lexia wrote:

Knyte wrote:

Premeditated Murder will be punishable by death. No exceptions.

I disagree with this. What if your dad or your uncle or someone sexually abuses you from the time you're eight til the time you're fifteen and finally get ahold of a gun and blow his fucking head off? That's premeditated, but it's certainly justifiable. I think murder that isn't premeditated is actually worse than murder that is. If you kill someone without any sort of premeditation, like in a fit of rage or something, you're probably a lot sicker in the head than someone who kills their wife's lover or the boss that fired them.

That's why I will put in place Federal (Probably change it to "Imperial") Agents. That kids can call a government hotline if they are being abused. Then my agents will go in covert. (SEALs like) and monitor the home for a week. If they find the accusations to be true, then the parent will be arrested and punished under the Molestation/Abuse law.

Posted: Jan 14 2008 09:36 pm

Knyte wrote:

That's why I will put in place Federal (Probably change it to "Imperial") Agents. That kids can call a government hotline if they are being abused. Then my agents will go in covert. (SEALs like) and monitor the home for a week. If they find the accusations to be true, then the parent will be arrested and punished under the Molestation/Abuse law.

A crack squad of Covert Federal Agents? Cool. Dangerously close to fascism, but cool. Shocked

Obviously, stopping child abuse is a good thing. Sounds like a system that could be easily abused though.

Posted: Jan 14 2008 09:48 pm

That's why the Agents will be trained to covertly monitor the house. To ensure that it is not a false alarm. (If it is, then the child will be punished.) Also, they need to be able to monitor the parents without the parents being aware of it, so that they do not put on a good show for the feds while they are under observation.

Hopefully, there would not be too many kids dumb enough to abuse the system. However every call for help must be taken seriously. One of the asigned agents will also be a certified child therapist so that they can asertain as to the behavior of the children to know if they are victoms of abuse or not.

Posted: Jan 14 2008 10:24 pm

I've actually been thinking quite a bit about this very subject, and if I can summon my inner-Jerri Blank: "I'VE GOT SOMETHIN' TO SAY!" It's going to be a long post, and I don't blame you if you decide to skip it, but I want to say my piece.

Energy is my biggest concern, mostly because so many other topics are tied into it. We're not fighting over in Iraq at this point because we give a shit about the people living there; we're doing it so we don't completely fuck ourselves out of the oil that is so plentiful out there. I really feel like the majority of the next ten years, scientifically and technologically speaking, should be focused on harnessing more efficient methods of alternative energy such as solar, kinetic, and fusion. And while I'm not a hippee tree-hugger, I do feel that America needs to do a better job in protecting the environment, which would be a pleasant by-product of cleaner energies.

While I don't think universal healthcare is the way to go, you can't tell me that the current system couldn't be overhauled to be more efficient, more patient-friendly, and most importantly, CHEAPER. There are countries like Canada selling generic version of the drugs doctors prescribe most here in the US who charge HALF of what American companies charge? Is it because Canada is better than us, or more pharmaceutically advanced? Fuck no! It is because, left unchecked, companies go for the biggest, gaudiest, most unnecessary profit possible. Drugs and health care in general can be cheaper without going socialist.

Having said that, I think there should be tighter restrictions on industry. Exxon makes 10 BILLION in profit per quarter (you read that right, 10 Billion a QUARTER) suckering the general public out of their hard-earned money and blame it on the government's gas taxes. Bullshit. You think Exxon couldn't lower it's prices and only make FIVE billion in profit per quarter? Sure it could, but then where would the CEO and the board of directors get their mega-huge bonuses from?

And the flat tax is bullshit as well; taking 15% from someone who makes 25k/year is going to hurt them a lot more than taking 15% from someone who makes 250k, or even 2.5M a year. True, taxes need to be a hell of a lot less confusing and convoluted. Loopholes need to be closed, percentages need to be more black-and-white, but a flax tax is insulting. A tiered percentage system would work great if there weren't so many bullshit exceptions, amendments, and clauses keeping the rich richer and keeping the IRS fat and happy. Make the rate flat at a certain percentage for salaries <30k, another for 30k to 70k, and higher and higher they go. This money can go to paying down the national debt, construction and public works, schools.

I would push Congress to legalize gay marriage and make sexual orientation part of the hate crimes bill. The "logic" that opponents use is laughable and pathetic. I'm not saying churches have to recognize gay marriages, but in a country where over 50% of STRAIGHT couples are getting divorced and celebrities marry and divorce multiple times per YEAR at this point, who the fuck are we to say that marriage is "a sacred bond between a man and a woman"? Like I said, laughable. And why is it less punishable to beat up a person because they're gay than if they're black, Greek Orthodox, or Italian? Fucking retarded.

I would ban automatic weapons for personal sale and use. You don't need a goddamn AK-47 to hunt deer. In fact, you know what you, the average person, would need an Uzi or a chaingun for? FUCKING NOTHING, that's what. The 2nd Amendment was relevant 200 years ago; now, it's a cliche rallying cry for conservatives who want to restrict every civil right you have EXCEPT guns and rednecks who want to be able to overthrow the government the minute a black person rolls through town or a Democrat lands in office.

I'm for the three strikes rule for lesser felonies, and life with a 20-year minimum before the possibility of parole. Capital murder, rape of a minor, etc would be punishable by death.

Tighten the borders, but don't close them completely. My parents came here legally from Italy. My parents learned the language, they pay taxes; my dad is an American citizen who just retired this month after working 23 years for the Federal Government. My mother is taking her citizenship test next month. Make it impossible for companies to hire illegals.

Teach safe sex along with abstinence, but focus on safe sex. Show me a person who believes abstinence-only education works, and I'll show you a fucking moron.

There's probably more, but I'm good for now. Thanks for letting me vent. One or two of you may have even read this whole post. Good for you.

Posted: Jan 14 2008 11:05 pm

S. McCracken wrote:

I would push Congress to legalize gay marriage and make sexual orientation part of the hate crimes bill.

I agree that sexual orientation should be part of the hate crime bill. The first part is nice too, but there's no constitutional basis for it. Jurisdiction over marriage is not specifically enumerated to the federal government and is thereby a power of state governments. That's why you can marry a fourteen year old girl in Kentucky no questions asked, but not in Massachusetts.

Of course, if you make sexual orientation part of the hate crimes bill, then they can claim discrimination. Also, it's an import to note that marriage the religious institution and marriage as recognized by the government are two different things. You can have Father O'Hallohan marry you in a big fancy ceremony, but if you don't submit marriage papers to city hall, you're not fucking married as far as Uncle Sam in concerned. And while I don't think any religion should be forced to recognize gay marriage, state governments have a basic responsibility to do.

On a related note, the Catholic Church closed its highly acclaimed adoption service a few years ago after the courts ordered it to either close or allow same sex couples to adopt children from them. I think the courts should have left well enough alone. The only real losers here were the orphans.

Posted: Jan 15 2008 12:59 am

Syd Lexia wrote:

S. McCracken wrote:

I would push Congress to legalize gay marriage and make sexual orientation part of the hate crimes bill.

I agree that sexual orientation should be part of the hate crime bill. The first part is nice too, but there's no constitutional basis for it. Jurisdiction over marriage is not specifically enumerated to the federal government and is thereby a power of state governments. That's why you can marry a fourteen year old girl in Kentucky no questions asked, but not in Massachusetts.

Of course, if you make sexual orientation part of the hate crimes bill, then they can claim discrimination. Also, it's an import to note that marriage the religious institution and marriage as recognized by the government are two different things. You can have Father O'Hallohan marry you in a big fancy ceremony, but if you don't submit marriage papers to city hall, you're not fucking married as far as Uncle Sam in concerned. And while I don't think any religion should be forced to recognize gay marriage, state governments have a basic responsibility to do.

On a related note, the Catholic Church closed its highly acclaimed adoption service a few years ago after the courts ordered it to either close or allow same sex couples to adopt children from them. I think the courts should have left well enough alone. The only real losers here were the orphans.

While the "states' rights" comment is true, you cannot get married in Kentucky at age 14. The laws are very similar in all states, states' rights notwithstanding. Check out this page to find marriage laws in the US. For the most part, they all seem to follow the same guidelines: either 16 or 17 with parental consent, 18 without.

I just can't see how unequal treatment under the law is not a violation of the 14th Amendment. If people have a problem with gay marriage, bully for them; just don't start enacting laws to ban the ability of a group of people to have the liberty to legally marry if they so choose. I believe that the right of a person, gay or straight, to follow their pursuit of liberty (in this case, the choice to marry) cannot be infringed by the will of the state.

And why shouldn't gay people be able to claim discrimination? It's ok for Jews, Catholics, black people, Italians, and Irish to do it...why shouldn't gay people have that right?

I agree with you on the church vs. state marriage point; if gay people want to get married at city hall, go for it. If they think legalizing gay marriage means that churches will have to marry them, then they're foolish at best, at worst ignorant. Maybe the wording should be different, but have the exact same rights as marriage. Currently, the differences between civil unions and marriage are that civil unions are only recognized within the state of origin, whereas marriage has to be recognized anywhere in the US. If civil unions was on equal footing with marriage, I could see leaving the word "marriage" out of it. Although the legitimacy of religion in general is a whole other topic for me...

The best argument I've ever heard about the allowance of gay marriage came from a speech I saw a few years back at a local college by former Minnesota governor (and personal political hero of mine) Jesse Ventura. When asked whether or not he believed in legalizing gay marriage, he said (paraphrasing),
"I am for gay marriage because it makes sense; because the people I know and love who are gay deserve the same right to the benefits that come with being joined with the person they love; that if Elizabeth Taylor can enjoy the bonds of matrimony eight times, then my neighbors down the street deserve it, too. If they get married, how is my marriage affected? Do I have to give back my marriage license? What are people so afraid of? That someone who is different can be happy?"

I couldn't have said it better myself.

And to make this even the slightest bit on-topic: if I were President, Jesse Ventura would be prominently involved.

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Posted: Jan 15 2008 01:36 am

I gotta agree with a lot of what you've said McCracken.

S. McCracken wrote:

And to make this even the slightest bit on-topic: if I were President, Jesse Ventura would be prominently involved.

"Devon, get the ballots!"

Posted: Jan 15 2008 02:43 am

I'm really apathetic when it comes to politics, so don't be surprised when I say something idiotic and then my only defense is that I really had no idea what I was talking about.

1: Try to be personable.
This is really one of those silly fantasies more than anything else. I've always wanted to be kind of a "I'm your buddy" president, sort of have a goofy atmosphere while still having some semblance of integrity. Like a Bill Nye sort of way, where he's being silly but you still think he knows what he's talking about. Maybe even have a "President's Show" every week or so where I come on and tell the country how everything's going. But I suppose being the president demands a certain amount of professionalism.

2: Bring all the armed forces home.
There's no longer any reason to be in Iraq or Afghanistan or anywhere else we've got people posted. Instead of letting our troops get blown up and shot, let's just bring them back and try again some other time.

3: Shut the hell up.
There's no longer any reason to piss off the rest of the world. Instead of acting like the world's policemen, let's quiet down and back off and let the rest of the world have their say. Perhaps not total isolationism, but I'd certainly take a much quieter, subtler role in world politics. A "we're here for you, if you need us" approach.

4: Some changes to public policy.
Allow gay marriage. Tighten up gun control. Allow the death penalty for crimes that legitimately deserve it (if you take someone's life, I believe that you deserve to have your life taken in return). Tighten up the borders and immigration; make it hard to immigrate, but not impossible, so the ones that really want to come here still can, but the ones that are just hopping the border can't.

5: Encourage research.
I would especially encourage alternative energy and stem-cell research. Anything that looks promising in any way, shape, or form. But you'd have to prove its relevance; I wouldn't allow just any pie-in-the-sky "I wonder if solid gold underpants would float in salt water" project.

6: Get a quote in Newsweek.
I want to be quoted as saying something like "I could've friggin' told you that." Just think about the possibilities of why I would possibly need to say that. I think my whole campaign platform would be "common sense". I would be a no-frills, down-to-earth, just-here-to-make-things-better president.

That's probably enough making a fool of myself.

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1. Bring everyone home from Iraq and around the world.

2. Remove "under god" from the pledge and everything else. Sad leftover from the cold war.

3. Change the U.S. Flag to this:

4. Destroy the Christian Right and forcibly secularize the entire country.

4. Convert Denver Airport into a death camp and send Communists there along with Anarchists, Scientologists, and everyone else I hate. Cleanse the country.

5. Futurize the army, and uh...well...knowing me, I'd probably make myself dictator and purge everything I hate from the world... *cough*

Posted: Jan 15 2008 04:18 pm

1) Withdraw the troops in the least-messiest way possible.
2) Make it impossible for businesses to hire illegals, and if I can't do that, fine the Hell out of anyone business that does so. After, if we reduce incentive for them to hire illegals, there will be fewer incentive for illegals to come over in the first place.
3) Legalize gay marriage. And let them serve in the military. The fact that it is 2008 and gays we still have an archaic "don't ask don't tell" policy is obscene. Basically, the vibe I'm getting now is we'd rather have a violent bloodbath than have a gay war hero stop the aforementioned bloodbath.
4) Reduce drinking ages to 18, legalize marijuana and make the age limit 18.
5) I would have to let racist groups be due to the 1st Amendment, but punish the hell out of them if they commit any hate crimes, That goes for non-white racist groups as well.
6) Try to keep the Constitution from being trampled on.
7) Find Osama Bin Laden and try him for crimes against humanity.
I'd have to do all of this with Congress' approval, of course.

Kacen, I've got to say, there's this thing called the Establishment Clause. It kinda goes like this:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

No offense to you, but I'm sure at least some of the things you're proposing would be unconstitutional. And Communists, anarchists, etc, no matter how much you disagree with them, they still have a right to say what they feel. First Amendment for ya.

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I've actually been thinking quite a bit about this very subject, and if I can summon my inner-Glenn Danzig: "I'VE GOT SOMETHIN' TO SAY!"

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How are you going to withdraw the troops and find Osama ?_?

I would
-Bring back art, music and gymnastics to all middle schools and high schools. Also offer classes such as marine bio, auto-repair, shop class and more foreign languages. Gun control classes so people stop shooting themselves with their own guns like every other PSA says so.
-Get rid of the FCC. If the KKK is allowed to burn crosses then Eminem should be allowed to say the s-word.
-I would take 30 minutes everyday to talk to a 2-3 random citizens over the phone. I won't really do anything. Just gives the president a better image because people will think I am concerned. Very Happy

-Bring back all troops from Iraq. If the people there need foreign troops survaillance to build a new government, they do not deserve one. I'm pretty sure they can thought. We are just there to screw them out of their oil.
-More research will be done on alternative energy. Even if the US had all the oil in the world, it would not last forever.
-Gay marriage will be allowed.
-Make a steroid league for all sports.

Pretty much stuff that has been said already.

Posted: Jan 17 2008 03:48 am

There's no point fantasizing about being president. The Patriots have controlled the elections since the last century.

Posted: Jan 17 2008 04:28 am

I'd do two things:

1) Adopt Mexico into the US as either one huge state, or multiple states. We can take it by force. After all, if the country's citizens are coming here by the truckload, we could probably wipe out whatever military they have in place now. Then the only south border we gotta watch would be very small and easy to manage, just like Mexico does with it now.

2) Somehow make Wal-Mart a government-run establishment, like the DMV. Instead of the insane profits going to some hick jackoffs, we could use it to pay for things in the country.

The rest I'd leave alone. All this "god is evil, let's all hug trees and be happy" stuff is hard to swallow.

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enshinkarateman wrote:

Kacen, I've got to say, there's this thing called the Establishment Clause. It kinda goes like this:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

When I said secularize I meant on a public and government level. And Scientology is not a religion it's a scam(or possibly in my theory a cover for something, but I won't go into that), I don't know how anyone can't see that, it's so blatantly obvious. What kind of religion makes you PAY?! It's banned in France and Germany which guarantees freedom of religion, and I'm sure other European countries as well.

enshinkarateman wrote:

No offense to you, but I'm sure at least some of the things you're proposing would be unconstitutional. And Communists, anarchists, etc, no matter how much you disagree with them, they still have a right to say what they feel. First Amendment for ya.

You need to think of things relevant to the time they are in, first of all.

Secondly, each one of these group's freedom of speech is belayed by the fact their intentions and wishes in the long run are to subvert the country itself. Somehow, I think, if the founding fathers were asked to consider such things (at the time such issues were not anarchism or communism[concept as a movement didn't even exist back then]), they'd agree on at least imprisoning or deporting these people. Taking advantage of a governmental freedom to voice such distaste of the government that grants such freedom basically cancels it out, so to speak.

Regardless, I am more in favor of a technocracy and a new, fresh political movement never seen before that I wish would overtake the world. Down with the old, down with fascism, communism, marxism, anarchism, democracy, capitalism, autocracy, and in with the new!

Technocracy, meritocracy...that is what I am getting at...an evolution of Democracy!

-bjork- wrote:

I'd do two things:

1) Adopt Mexico into the US as either one huge state, or multiple states. We can take it by force. After all, if the country's citizens are coming here by the truckload, we could probably wipe out whatever military they have in place now. Then the only south border we gotta watch would be very small and easy to manage, just like Mexico does with it now.

I should tell you from personal experience not everyone there is poor...plenty are not, I have a friend on the internet from Guadalajara and hes fairly well off. Also the Yucatan is also fairly thriving from what he's told me. It's just some people in northern Mexico who are poor.

And then theres the fact they may not be less well off than other people, it's just our money is worth lot's more than theres, they can come here and do a simple job and make enough that it could sustain them back in Mexico.