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Tebor
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Aside from giving Peter the ability, [Hiro] hasn't really done anything useful with his time travel skills, only the timestop and teleportation. He couldn't save the waitress. He couldn't save his dad. And yet, he could go back in time and fuck around until he unwittingly created the season's primary antagonist. |
Yeah, I think they've hit it over the head that Hiro can't save people's lives... Not necessarily the outcome of the future (Save the Cheerleader), but... Actually, now that's bugging me. Why was Claire able to survive? Because someone who wasn't Hiro did it? Whatever, time travel makes my head hurt.
And did Hiro create the antagonist or was that supposed to happen all along? Ow, ow, ow!!!
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Syd Lexia
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Also, I'm wondering if The Company wants Noah or if that's Mohinder's doing. Remember, it was Mohinder who shot him and as The Company's top scientist, it was Mohinder who would have had been in final possession of Claire's blood. The room we see Noah does look similar to Adam and Peter's holding cells, but not entirely. His room is dimmer, and somewhat dingier, so it's possible that Mohinder has revived him in secret. It's also possible that Adam and Peter have revived him, since all three have a common enemy in Bob.
Here's another question: why did Surresh shoot Noah? Sure, Bennett held a gun to his head, but he ultimately didn't shoot him. Surresh also seemed quite disturbed by Elle's psychosis and just prior to shooting Noah, he saw Elle attempt to kill West. There are two possibilities here as to Surresh's motivation. Either he's embraced Bob's semi-evil pragmatic philosophy or he realized that Bennett had been right about The Company all along.
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ReeperTheSeeker
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Coodos to Tebor on the new sig.
And the last episode was awesome. Who would have thought Surresh was such a good shot. Also, it didn't occur to me that someone would use Claire's blood to help Noah get a Lazarus comeback. I really thought they were going to kill him off.
Only 2 episodes left now. It's as if they are saying to us "Okay, we have 2 more episodes left so if the writer's strikes continues, you better brush off your old DVDs."
I think i can venture a guess as to how the last episode ends:
They manage to save the world from the virus but just when you think it's over, Surresh comes home to find Sylar with his new pet Maya. I think Sylar interacting with Mr. Muggles from season 1 was foreshadowing his relationship with Maya. She's like, his Mrs Muggles XD.
And did anyone else flash back to season 1 when Bennett rose from the dead and said "Holy . . ." Remember a similar scene when Claire was in the morg and came back to life and said "Holy . . ." It's things like that that make watching a show like heroes priceless.
And we still don't know what Hiro's father could do . . .
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Tebor
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So this season actually has several villains (let's all forget the minor villains of season one), is a Legion of Doom in the not-too-distant future?
And eventually they need to "out" the heroes. I am so sick of this living in secret bullshit... Even if that is part of the classic mythological archetype they're following. And I don't mean give up secret identities or anything like that (or even costumes). Like Superman and Batman, everyone knows they exist. People aren't terrified or starting internment camps. Can't we just have people be like: "Yo, that Mohinder, dude is right. People are jacked up. Word." or "He just saved a baby from that cement truck... Cool." Probably season five... Oy.
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Awesome episode, though i feel like they are rushing Sylar's story (f*** Maya and Al, Sylar is the star of the subplot).
During the preview for the next episode, they kept calling it the 'Finale'. Is this true, are they real going to end the entire season 2 so soon?
Damn you! You blew it up!!! Damn you!!! DAMN YOU ALL TO HELLL!!!!!!
FYI: I am pulling for them, this is just overblown sarcasm
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Syd Lexia
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The season was originally planned as two chapters. Due to the writer's strike, it very well may be just the one chapter.
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Tebor
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Please Claire go public... And you make me laugh when you cry.
And that ending was TIGHT.
But I agree that it felt rushed tonight. Whatever, nitpicky Tebor, that's better than the alternative. You're learning Kring. Good, good.
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This is quite possible The Best thing i've read on line since my first Syd Lexia Article. It's good to see that the creator himself is aware of the flaws and is hopefully going to start volume 3 fresh. Still, even if season 2 is flawed, it's entertaining none the less.
BTW, did anyone give a shit when Sylar pwn3d Al? It was almost like, I was cheering Sylar on. Plus, Maya is a tool . . . No, She's Sylar's little misses muggles.
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Tebor
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ReeperTheSeeker wrote: |
BTW, did anyone give a shit when Sylar pwn3d Al? It was almost like, I was cheering Sylar on. |
That's one thing that bugged me. I hated Al so much that I thought his death was too undramatic. Al needed to die a much more grand death than simply being stabbed! He needed the equivalent of being buried alive!
But for once the Maya/Al subplot didn't completely piss me off.
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They are threatening to kill off two heroes in the 'finale'. I think nicky might be one of them, she will try to save the copycat but end up dead and mika will end up as an orphan. Then Parkman will take mika in and basically start his own 'home for gifted children' Think about it, Parkman has mind powers and is already raising a child with abilities, Parkman is Heroes' Professor X. Also i think Nathin is going to die saving the world from the virus. And Adam is going to get decapitated, by Hiro or someone else, it's anyones guess.
These are just theories but they are plausible. Also, Bob continues to call himself 'director of operations' he doesn't really own the company. So if bob is not in charge, then who is?
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Tebor
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I agree with you, Reeper, that Nikki will die and the other is Nathan, cause, really, what else does he do on the show anymore?
Last week's episode seemed to hype Adam's downfall, but I'm too interested in seeing a Adam/Sylar/Elle team up to humor the idea.
I'm not really thinking about the finale. That was the problem with last year's and being over hyped. Plus, this is only a mini-finale, so I expect it to be weaker than something to close a season.
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Syd Lexia
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I think Parkman might die, for PC reasons. Molly doesn't really need *two* dads, and the show will do better in the red states if one of them dies.
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Syd Lexia wrote: |
I think Parkman might die, for PC reasons. Molly doesn't really need *two* dads, and the show will do better in the red states if one of them dies. |
If were courting the red states it'll be Mohinder first. He's A) Foriegn, and B)Athiest, or at least agnostic. The second would be Maya, who illegally crossed the border, and lets face it, a festering tumor threatening to go malignant and ruin the entire show with her presence.
I can't think of anyone that liberals would really dislike other than Bob.
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Syd Lexia
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I think the liberals would LOVE Bob. I imagine the Weinstein brothers would love to capture him so he can line their kosher pockets with ill-gotten gold.
Oh wait, all the Weinsteins' money is ill-gotten, the result of shitty ass movies. I guess they don't really need him.
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Tebor wrote: |
I agree with you, Reeper, that Nikki will die and the other is Nathan, cause, really, what else does he do on the show anymore?
Last week's episode seemed to hype Adam's downfall, but I'm too interested in seeing a Adam/Sylar/Elle team up to humor the idea.
I'm not really thinking about the finale. That was the problem with last year's and being over hyped. Plus, this is only a mini-finale, so I expect it to be weaker than something to close a season. |
It didn't even occure to me that adam would team up with sylar. In fact, maybe it was adam that was keeping him alive. But think about it, if Sylar gets his powers back and meets Adam, he's not going to buddy buddy with him, he is going to off him like he has been trying to do with clare and get the immortality ability. And once he's invisible, Elle is history and Sylar will literally become a demi-god.
And i agree that the finale is going to be on the weak side.
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I think Parkman might die, for PC reasons. Molly doesn't really need *two* dads, and the show will do better in the red states if one of them dies. |
You know, the innuendo occured to me that there was a Parkman-Mohinder relationship deaper then friendship, but i didn't want to say anything. Also, Parkman is too interesting and is just starting to Bloom. Mohinder trusted the company and shot Bennet, the fans are starting to get a bitter taste for him now.
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Create your own hero:
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/create_your_hero
The choices are too vague, you don't even have a say to what ability this hero might have. I know, lets do our own 'make your hero'.
You can choose from the choice give by nbc AND whether they are good, bad or neutral and you can give your hero a proper background if you want and the most important, what ability they have.
There is a lot to choice from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_comic_book_superpowers
My Hero was a class clown back in highschool and possesses the ability of Omni-linguism, giving him the power to swear in every language. His profession is a tattoo artist and sometimes when a client wants a japanese symbol, he tells them the symbol means: "Great wisdom" when it really means: "Shit for brains."
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Syd Lexia
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Volume 2's final scene was suspiciously similar to the end of X3: The Last Stand.
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Tebor
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This is why "Heroes" trying to be a comic book doesn't work, because that finale felt like the last issue of a mini-series where everything is just rushed together. Granted the show works better without the shitty pacing, but I think they crossed the line of moving too fast.
Did you notice that St. Joan's dagger was in the vault? I wonder what that means...
Edit: And is it just me or has everyone forgotten about Candice!? Only Sylar knew she died. Why the hell doesn't anyone suspect they're listening to a shape shifter? I'm willing to believe Bob knows, but HRG? Or Micah? This question doesn't apply to this episode but meant as a question for all of volume 2.
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Syd Lexia
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Too bad Peter never copied Linderman's ability...
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Syd Lexia wrote: |
Too bad Peter never copied Linderman's ability... |
I was thinking that same thing towards the end of season 1. Plus it would seem that mama petralli and bob are all that is left of the old gang . . . or are they?
Plus koodos to Hiro for what he did to Adam, i didn't know the little guy had such a dark side.
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This is why "Heroes" trying to be a comic book doesn't work, because that finale felt like the last issue of a mini-series where everything is just rushed together. Granted the show works better without the shitty pacing, but I think they crossed the line of moving too fast.
Did you notice that St. Joan's dagger was in the vault? I wonder what that means...
Edit: And is it just me or has everyone forgotten about Candice!? Only Sylar knew she died. Why the hell doesn't anyone suspect they're listening to a shape shifter? I'm willing to believe Bob knows, but HRG? Or Micah? This question doesn't apply to this episode but meant as a question for all of volume 2. |
The pacing was excellent overall and fair in some spots IMO. I did like the ending with Sylar and I did buy the suspense during Nathan's speech. (FYI: HRG did it!)
The vault with the brain and the artifacts is an obvious setup for the next volume's plot, no idea what it could be though? And did anyone knotice heroes's trademark on peter's hand after he toasted the virus?
News Flash about Candice: people tend to forget the important things in comics/superpower_shows like Candice the illusion girl and there really were not any points when HRG or micah would suspect Candice. Plus it's obvious no one gave a shit about her, Bob left her in charge of nursing a supervillain who kills people like her as a hobby.
Which brings me to my next two questions:
1) Why was the company keeping Sylar alive?
2) Since Sylar's ability was disabled at the time he killed Candice, does that mean he might not have her ability afterall?
Personally i hope he doesn't. It would make things way too easy for him.
And i still wanted the invisible bum to come back for a cameo.
Hana Gitelman:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hana_Gitelman
Who made a cameo in a few of season 1 episodes had the same goals as bennet to bring down the company yet she didn't even make a cameo either. The gist i get from wiki is very matrix-y with her current status in the novels. Appearenlty she bit the dust during the end of season one but download her mind into cyber space. Here's the freaky part, she apparently has befriended Micah at one point. The info is a little vague.
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Tebor
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Sylar needs to have Candice's ability because Five Years Gone still needs to be a possibility (cause I won't let go of that theory).
Yeah, Hana Gitelman is like the comic exclusive character now... Or so I've gathered as I'm behind on the comics.
And did anyone else think of Popeye with the spinach can?
Edit: My man Ausiello has confirmed that either Nathan or Niki is definitely NOT dead and that the other may not be either. ( link).
Tim Kring on the finale.
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"We've introduced a cadre of [Villains] over the course of the show and we're going to see them rise up... Just as the heroes have found each other to save the world, the villains will do the same with the opposite intent." And their numbers may be legion. |
LEGION OF DOOM!!!
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Now some genuinely compelling opponents, versus doom predictions.
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Tebor
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Damn right, time for some super burly brawls and battles of wit!
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Syd Lexia
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I bet Nathan survives, most likely due to Adam's blood. But I also bet we don't find out Nathan's still alive until after Claire learns that it was her real father who shot her birth father.
I liked the finale. It was a bit much to take at once, but it was still pretty good. But I wish they had spent as much time following Parkman and Nathan during the season as they had following Maya and Alejandro.
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Tebor
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Syd Lexia wrote: |
But I wish they had spent as much time following Parkman and Nathan during the season as they had following Maya and Alejandro. |
Or Peter Pan and Claire... Egh, it was like their acting got worse and worse every week!
Just that brief (albeit cheap) scene of Nathan and Parkman landing in the finale was hysterical. It also addressed an issue I had earlier in the season when they went flying to Parkman's dad's apartment. I was also surprised that Parkman hadn't met Hiro yet, sometimes I don't keep good track of these things. BTW, if Parkman dies I will go nuclear on this show.
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I bet Nathan survives, most likely due to Adam's blood. But I also bet we don't find out Nathan's still alive until after Claire learns that it was her real father who shot her birth father. |
And the daughter hating the father arc will continue!
Is there a time limit on resurrections? It was so much easier when Lindermann could only heal the living... I wonder how the show will address the "Heal Anything Cure", because that's one damn powerful plot device, but one that can get old fast.
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...since when did locking someone up and throwing away the key mean putting them in a well-vented room next to Mr. Uber-Powerful? When I think locking someone up and pitching the key I think Matthias Pavayne being locked up, unable to move or blink, in an isolated room with only a small window to the outside world. That's how you get rid of the immortal boogeyman. |
And thank you Past Tebor for ruining the finale for me. Asshole.
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