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Posted: Nov 08 2007 12:10 am

You may scoff, but the Step in StepParent opens a whole new world of exciting relationships without ending up with retarded children.

Posted: Nov 08 2007 04:09 am

Okay, this last episode was awesome. And I'm kind of surprised that basically my prediction with the 1600's came true.

I'm also curious if Linderman is related to Adam.

Posted: Nov 09 2007 12:42 am

Not sure if someone's mentioned it yet (I haven't seen this week's episode so I've been screening posts), but "Heroes" shot an alternate ending to the last produced episode to act as a season finale in case the strike ruins the rest of the year.

May not be much, but I take solace in some sense of closure, albeit cliffhanger.

Posted: Nov 09 2007 12:46 am

The way I understand it, this season is split into two or three volumes, so if the strike ruins the season, they would have ended at a quasi-resolution anyway.

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So if Kenshi is Adam, then who is Eve, Claire? Yah, that pun was bad . . .

Anyway Heroes has been awesome, i just hope the strike doesn't effect the overall season too much. And it's too bad about the Origins series, There are some characters that may make interesting plots, like Hiro old man and Peter's dad who we know ever little about.

Also, what about the one chick who can email with her mind and the invisible bum? There Origins are unknown and in fact they have been very minor characters overall, although they did contribute to season 1. e-mind girl had it in for the company and so did the invisible bum, yet they haven't made contact with benneit like the Haishin has and helped him in bring the company down.

And who really owns the company, BOB? He seems more like an Executive, plus Illusion girl was working for the company, she was keeping Sylar safe under the company's orders HOWEVER it has been implied by Bob himself that he wanted Sylar dead, so why the heck would Bob want to keep Sylar alive if he was so on about destroying threats.

And does anyone else feel uneasy when Bob touches Mowhinder(sp?), it's almost like a threat, like he's saying "I'm going to turn you into Gold if you don't do what i say."

AND, when Peter was shooting electricity from his hands, i thought it was a mild effect of the radioactive ability he picked up from Ted. But as the preview has implied, Veranica Thunderbolt came in contact with him. That never accrued to me, i just thought that it was the radioactive ability he was wielding, not electric.

As you can see, i'm eating this shit up and have many questions i hope future episode can resolve and these future episode will hopefully be effected little by the strike, crossing fingers.

Posted: Nov 11 2007 01:09 am

ReeperTheSeeker wrote:

And does anyone else feel uneasy when Bob touches Mowhinder(sp?), it's almost like a threat, like he's saying "I'm going to turn you into Gold if you don't do what i say."

Until further evidence presents itself, I'm going to assume he can only transmute metals into gold.

Posted: Nov 11 2007 07:13 am

I'm pretty sure Veronica Thunderbolt is Bob's daughter.

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Syd Lexia wrote:

I'm pretty sure Veronica Thunderbolt is Bob's daughter.

Some here. it's implied in the previews and she comes off spoiled enough to be Bob's offspring. And I'm sure bob can do more then turn metal into gold but we will just have to see.

Posted: Nov 11 2007 08:01 pm

He doesn't necessarily have to be able to do anything else. Look at Claire's parents... her mom can start fires and her dad can fly, and somehow she ends up invincible.

Then again, there seems to be more to Nathan's story. It still hasn't been explained how he survived his brother's nuclear explosion, but the deformed mirror image of himself that he keeps seeing hints at something horrible.

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Syd Lexia wrote:

He doesn't necessarily have to be able to do anything else. Look at Claire's parents... her mom can start fires and her dad can fly, and somehow she ends up invincible.

Then again, there seems to be more to Nathan's story. It still hasn't been explained how he survived his brother's nuclear explosion, but the deformed mirror image of himself that he keeps seeing hints at something horrible.

Nathan could have mild regeneration or it might only happen when his body is critically damaged, like after a nuclear blast. Clare's mom has immunity to fire but the regeneration gene could have been in Nathan or is just very dormant. This form of regeneration could have slowly healed Nathan since the ending of chapter 1 but he is still mentally tramatised by the recuperation period, seeing a deformed self in the mirror. When he smashed the mirror in a past episode, he had this look on his face, as if he expected something to happen to his hand but it didn't.

Also i think Nathan and Peter's father might have been a mimicker like peter, remember the invisible bum did say to peter there were other mimickers like him. However, Peter's Dad couldn't control the ability and was so depressed by it he committed suicided. It fits and explains how peter gained the ability to mimic others. We still don't know what his mother can do, i'd make a guess but there has been no hints to her ability as of yet.

Posted: Nov 12 2007 05:02 pm

ReeperTheSeeker wrote:

Anyway Heroes has been awesome,

Oh, my no it has not. Not to credit Bryan Fuller or Natalie Chaidez, but their departure seems to have greatly affected the show. There's been a noticeable drop in storytelling quality this season from last. Considering where season one ended, season two should've started stronger. Losing two co-executive producers (i.e. main writers) definitely hurt.

Mistakes have been made, articles have been written, but "Heroes" might have been on a road to recovery when the strike hit. Hopefully, Kring and Loeb can use this time to reconsider their methods to improve the series when they return*.

ReeperTheSeeker wrote:

And it's too bad about the Origins series, There are some characters that may make interesting plots, like Hiro old man and Peter's dad who we know ever little about.

"Origins" would not have focused on them, but new characters. We'll get the backstory of the earlier "heroes" throughout this season (maybe).

*I just assume Loeb is the number two man. I hope he is.

Posted: Nov 12 2007 05:33 pm

Tebor wrote:

ReeperTheSeeker wrote:

Anyway Heroes has been awesome,

Oh, my no it has not. There's been a noticeable drop in storytelling quality this season from last.

I'm with Reeper on this one. And the storytelling is fine. Is it a little stilted? Yes, but the show is written like a comic book, and that's how comic books are.

Posted: Nov 13 2007 03:09 am

The shot of Peter catching his brother was fucking kick ass. Wallpaper that. That is classic superhero action and imagery. Milo Ventimiglia's face personifies classic hero facial expressions. Actually, remember last week when he simply walked into the room with his mother? That walk, the pose were all on the money.

Know why I like the "??? Months Ago" episodes? They skip all the shit and just show the juice. Except, words still can't describe how much I hate Maya and Alejandro.

Veronica Thunderbolt is actually quite creepy. I give her props for the episode. But... I hate to say it, she reminds me of Gwen Raiden from "Angel". I feel that's a cheat cause of my own disinterest of "Angel" until this year, but nonetheless I've seen lightning chicks in action-- And I'm afraid the scene with Gwen as a girl in the lobster coat was seriously more compelling than Veronica talking about her past. I haven't checked, but Veronica's experience better be this week's comic.

Speaking of "Angel", since when did locking someone up and throwing away the key mean putting them in a well-vented room next to Mr. Uber-Powerful? When I think locking someone up and pitching the key I think Matthias Pavayne being locked up, unable to move or blink, in an isolated room with only a small window to the outside world. That's how you get rid of the immortal boogeyman.

And Marilyn Bauer still can't act. And if I were a real nerd, I'd be asking myself if Angela caused the divorce with that touch... But I know I'll forget about it by daybreak.

Edit: Know what? Wanna know when a good episode is coming? Check to see if Greg "Smallville" Beeman is directing and either Kring or Loeb are writing.

Syd Lexia wrote:

And the storytelling is fine. Is it a little stilted? Yes, but the show is written like a comic book, and that's how comic books are.

You fucking know that's not true.

Edit: ...Not to mention I remember ranting about this in the previous thread. However, this season has actually played out worse than the first season. I don't care if they think: Oh, people know who these characters are now, so we can take our time. I know even they have admitted their faults and I agree with the critics that this season with all the Heroes clones, "Heroes" is getting left behind.

Edit Edit:

Tebor wrote:

Not to credit Bryan Fuller... but [his] departure seems to have greatly affected the show.

I take it back, I totally credit Fuller. He wrote "Company Man", he rules. Why'd he have to leave!? Crying

Posted: Nov 13 2007 11:47 am

Tebor wrote:

Syd Lexia wrote:

And the storytelling is fine. Is it a little stilted? Yes, but the show is written like a comic book, and that's how comic books are.

You fucking know that's not true.

Actually, it is. You can pick up pretty much any DC comic written in the last ten years, especially Batman or Superman, and I guarantee you that this season of Heroes is at least ten times better.

In particular, read Infinite Crisis, one of DC's most hyped limited series from recent years. It's fucking awful.

Posted: Nov 15 2007 02:08 pm

Syd Lexia wrote:

Actually, it is. You can pick up pretty much any DC comic written in the last ten years, especially Batman or Superman, and I guarantee you that this season of Heroes is at least ten times better.

In particular, read Infinite Crisis, one of DC's most hyped limited series from recent years. It's fucking awful.

I'm hardly the expert when it comes to comics, but the All-Star Superman and Batman & Robin are badass. Better than Superman/Batman was at least (it could be better, I haven't read the recent issues). And Green Arrow and Black Canary are getting me to care again about the current DC universe.

Posted: Nov 15 2007 04:02 pm

All-Star Batman And Robin? Seriously? That's like a career low for Frank Miller. The quality of A-S B&R can be summed up in one frame from the second issue:

http://iamthebatman.ytmnd.com/

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Syd Lexia wrote:

All-Star Batman And Robin? Seriously? That's like a career low for Frank Miller. The quality of A-S B&R can be summed up in one frame from the second issue:

http://iamthebatman.ytmnd.com/

LOL, i love that site.

Tebor wrote:

The shot of Peter catching his brother was fucking kick ass. Wallpaper that. That is classic superhero action and imagery. Milo Ventimiglia's face personifies classic hero facial expressions. Actually, remember last week when he simply walked into the room with his mother? That walk, the pose were all on the money.

That whole scene with Peter and Nathan was the best of this season so far.

I do agree with you on a couple of points you've made, Tebor:

1)compared to season one, season two has been dry and slow. But that is comparing it to the first season, when the show was fresh and became a phenomenon. the second season has lived up to my expectation of an entertaining show and that is what really matters.

2) The only thing Maya and Al (i'm calling him that from now on) are contributing is adding to Sylar's subplot. I can foresee Maya being another Ted, where Sylar gains her ability and threatens to use it to case mass destruction. That is if Sylar's ability returns. So far, the bro and sis have been the least interesting characters all season. Even Bob is more interesting.

Veranica Thunderbolt gets under my skin and not in a good way. She reminds me of illusion girl, you have no idea how happy i was too see Sylar smash her over the head. VT reminds me of that bitch and I'm crossing my fingers that Sylar takes her ability too. And koodos on mentioning Gwen Raidon. The one downside about Angel was that reoccurring characters like Gwen and the Police Girl just drop off the face of the earth without any decent "so long".

And lastly, i end this with a random paragraph:

I hope Bob (or Peter since he was near Bob and might have his ability) picks up dog shit and turns it into gold. That way the writers can insert a "Gold Nugget" joke and set a comedic precedent on Heroes.

Posted: Nov 16 2007 01:07 am

Syd Lexia wrote:

All-Star Batman And Robin? Seriously? That's like a career low for Frank Miller.

I don't know, I like it. Plus, thanks to Miller we're getting All-Star Batgirl. 'Bout bloody time f'in Batgirl was a young Babs Gordon again.

Edit: And Miller's done way worse!

ReeperTheSeeker wrote:

compared to season one, season two has been dry and slow. But that is comparing it to the first season, when the show was fresh and became a phenomenon. the second season has lived up to my expectation of an entertaining show and that is what really matters.

Actually, you're right that is all that matters.

For me I didn't like how "Heroes" began. I dug the pilot enough, but it had a very rocky start (which can be read in the first "Heroes" thread). It wasn't until Homecoming (episode 9) that I thought the show got good... And then it got bad again... And then somewhere around "Company Man" it got good again. What I don't understand is why we need those lulls. Other shows can keep the energy up throughout the whole season. Typically you learn from mistakes the previous season and the way Kring was giving interviews, I thought season 2 would be much stronger. And then it wasn't. I will say that "Four Months Ago" (episode 8 ) was as entertaining as "Homecoming", so that's an improvement by one episode. I just hope that means it won't take until episode 16 to get another "Company Man".

ReeperTheSeeker wrote:

I can foresee Maya being another Ted, where Sylar gains her ability and threatens to use it to case mass destruction.

I am 100% sure that her brother will die, but I think Maya will actually have a much more fulfilling payoff. I'm not sure if she'll be Sylar's lover, but I think we'll see a radical change in personality once her brother dies.

ReeperTheSeeker wrote:

And koodos on mentioning Gwen Raidon. The one downside about Angel was that reoccurring characters like Gwen and the Police Girl just drop off the face of the earth without any decent "so long".

Gwen at least got a resolution (and a piece of Gunn Wink

). Kate Lockley went off to do "Law & Order"... But I read that Justine Cooper was created in season 3 to replace Kate. When I think about that's where the character would've gone, I get excited.

And I meant to mention Livewire from the DC universe. My apologies for not mentioning her earlier. Considering how much I loved "Girls' Night Out", I am deeply ashamed.

I bought the Heroes Volume 1 hardback. I read some of the comics when they were posted online, but I'm enjoying reading them in print five times as much.

Plus, how much better does Claire look: Twisted Evil

Edit: Since the Aquaman thread got (rightfully) locked, thought I'd mentioned the "Aquaman" pilot DVD available at Best Buy is actually a FULL SCREEN version of the episode. While better video quality than iTunes, it is not widescreen and it shows. The Pan&Scan isn't even Pan&Scan, because the image never pans. It's like they cropped it and walked away. Faces and signs get cut off, compositions ruined. Had this aired on TV, I'm sure the cropping would've been done much better, it wouldn't have been that hard to do.

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Tebor wrote:

Syd Lexia wrote:

All-Star Batman And Robin? Seriously? That's like a career low for Frank Miller.

I don't know, I like it. Plus, thanks to Miller we're getting All-Star Batgirl. 'Bout bloody time f'in Batgirl was a young Babs Gordon again.

8.9/10

Edit: And Miller's done way worse! . . .

Plus, how much better does Claire look: Twisted Evil

7.2/10 (because i say so)

Anyway, I agree that Al will get the ax and hopefully soon. Anyone that pisses Sylar off ends up facing his "can opener" impression (again, if he had his abilities). I'm thinking that whatever is keeping his abilities in check are the same drugs VT was feeding Peter. They will ware off soon, Sylar will get his powers back and secretly kill Al, taking his ability, but he will keep Maya alive as a pet or something. I did think Sylar might start to love her and want to be a good guy, but he's Sylar and making Maya his pet seems to fit him better, hell he did call her a 'toy'.

I did just think of something, he did take illusion girl's ability and maybe if the plan goes as i think it will, he'll kill Al and use the illusion ability to make Maya think he is Al or Al is still with them. Dammit! They better give Sylar his powers back because it's just not the same when he is just some guy.

And Peter's status: Good guy or potential bad guy? With Adam in the mix, it is uncertain what the future holds. Speeking of the future, what about his girlfriend? If they change the future will she still be in the future like something out of back to the future or will she be stuck in some alternate dimension? Damn . . . Time travel hurts my brain. Who knows, maybe Hiro will save her Wink

Posted: Nov 16 2007 08:20 pm

ReeperTheSeeker wrote:

but he will keep Maya alive as a pet or something.

LOL! Oh, that made me laugh. Laughing

ReeperTheSeeker wrote:

Speaking of the future, what about his girlfriend? If they change the future will she still be in the future like something out of back to the future or will she be stuck in some alternate dimension?

She'll obviously still be sleeping on the porch of her house once time has been corrected!

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Tebor wrote:

ReeperTheSeeker wrote:

but he will keep Maya alive as a pet or something.

LOL! Oh, that made me laugh. Laughing

ReeperTheSeeker wrote:

Speaking of the future, what about his girlfriend? If they change the future will she still be in the future like something out of back to the future or will she be stuck in some alternate dimension?

She'll obviously still be sleeping on the porch of her house once time has been corrected!

LOL, now that made me laugh Laughing

Posted: Nov 19 2007 11:46 pm

Best ending ever, even though I kinda guessed it.

Posted: Nov 19 2007 11:58 pm

hell yea.. the whole show was awesome. i always thought that noah getting shot would've happened at the end of the season.

also, it looked like parkman did get that one woman's name, which i was hoping he wouldn't do. anyways, i'm likin this season more and more.

Posted: Nov 20 2007 02:44 am

The real brilliance is that the Company never wanted Claire, they wanted HRG.

Lots of dark turns this episode, but are they really damned? I can't help it, I love Parkman so I think there's hope for him... Mohinder I was ready to write off, but with wacky Shyamalan ending... Things are less back and white.

Elle still scares the living crap out of me. Maybe because she reminds me of someone I used to work with and imagining her with powers... *shivers*

And I know I'm in the minority but Hayden's acting during the SORRY! scene was horrible. She's an inconsistent actor -- she really can act in some scenes. Oh well... Rolling Eyes

I loved the shot compositions in this episode, every episode should be over designed like this one.

Oh right, and Adam. Didn't we all guess that during the recap in the opening? Parkman's father is not that thin. I kinda wished they played less of that scene and more of Hiro realizing that he can't save his father; the switch was subtle, but I felt kinda robbed by it. Just like another ten seconds there and less from later.

Anyway, good episode, but this is what the bar for an average episode should be.

Edit: It's late and I just realized that the comment about the second thing is something I normally write on Editing peer review assignments... So, while it's very nitpicky, if you were the editor of the show, that is exactly the kind of note you'd get from me. Wink

Posted: Nov 20 2007 06:53 am

Tebor wrote:

And I know I'm in the minority but Hayden's acting during the SORRY! seen was horrible.

I agree 100%.

Tebor wrote:

Oh right, and Adam. Didn't we all guess that during the recap in the opening? Parkman's father is not that thin. I kinda wished they played less of that scene and more of Hiro realizing that he can't save his father; the switch was subtle, but I felt kinda robbed by it. Just like another ten seconds there and less from later.

Once we learned about Adam, was there ever really any question he killed Kaito? Who else could survive that fall?

Hiro kind of pisses me off. Aside from giving Peter the ability, he hasn't really done anything useful with his time travel skills, only the timestop and teleportation. He couldn't save the waitress. He couldn't save his dad. And yet, he could go back in time and fuck around until he unwittingly created the season's primary antagonist.