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Bouya
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Cryme Tyme is gone now, too. Something about how they took a ref's belt and sold it after a house show match, and management didn't like it... sounds like a fishy lie a 6 year-old would tell.
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Syd Lexia
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That sucks. Cryme Tyme was fucking awesome.
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Douche McCallister
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Hmmm...Umanga lost the belt. Weird...Get that Money Money...Yea, Yea.
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Bouya
Title: Delinquent
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So... if it ain't Kennedy, who is Vince's kid?
"Things are looking up" was the clue last night, but I thought they were gonna run with Kennedy as the son. Perhaps his involvement in that online pharmacy thing got him pushed out of the storyline?
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Knyte
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If the quote means its going to be a tall "Superstar," It better not be Khali.
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JStrangiato
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So... if it ain't Kennedy, who is Vince's kid?
"Things are looking up" was the clue last night, but I thought they were gonna run with Kennedy as the son. Perhaps his involvement in that online pharmacy thing got him pushed out of the storyline? |
Man, I watched that last night. I felt like my intelligence was being insulted. This is one of the lamest story arcs in wrestling had since I've been watching (Mind you, I don't want much, just from time to time). I turned it on about 9:40 pm central time, expecting to see some wrestling before the program ended. Instead, I get fifteen minutes of Mr. McMahon droning on about what a bad guy he's been, with his family ragging on him. Then, Kennedy shows up and I think "Maybe something exciting will happen". No. He says that Vince is his dad, they hug, then DNA test guy shows up and says Kennedy ain't the son, and that the real one will be revealed next week.
Man, that pissed me off.
Damn, if I wanted to watch a soap opera, I'd watch my grandma's stories with her. But she's dead, so I can't. Thanks, Mr. McMahon, for making me think of my late grandma. Jerk.
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Bouya
Title: Delinquent
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I agree, it's a pretty ridiculous storyline. I understand wrestling is supposed to be over the top anyway, but I like storylines better that are like "Someone stole Matilda from the British Bulldogs" or "Nailz is an escaped convict with a hate-on for the Bossman."
Still, I'm curious to know who they go with. The clue is totally vague... it could be a tall guy, or a guy who looks up (ie, HBK's entrance), or something off the wall that makes no sense, which would be likely with the way WWE handles stories now.
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Syd Lexia
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One of the smarks on LordsOfPain was bemoaning the fact that the Benoit murder/suicide forced McMahon to abandon his death angle because it "had the potential to be the greatest angle ever". Uh, no it didn't. It was fucking retarded. It was even more retarded than that "classic" WCW storyline where someone was stealing wallets from the locker room so Vince Russo made all the luchadores unmask.
Internet smarks piss me off. They all seem to have a huge fucking hard-on for Vince McMahon and can't admit that the vast majority of his current product is absolute fucking crap. Meanwhile A.J. Styles could do a triple backflip off a ringpost to grab the X Division belt and win an Ultimate X match and they'd be like "OMG, TNA sucks, the WWE is sooo much better."
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Cattivo
Joined: Apr 14 2006
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I really want to get back into wrestling right now, but yes, the WWE is total crap right now. It's even worse than when I left in '01. The storylines are awful, and wrestlers like Fit Finlay, a leprechaun, Dusty Rhodes' weakling son, and John Cena are getting pushes. Meanwhile Booker T is a frickin king, even though he still has zero acting ability whatsoever. The king angle actually accentuates the fact that he can't deliver lines at all.
Then when I turn on TNA, I see actual matches and not fifteen minute gab fests. If wrestling is to become popular again, the hope lies with TNA, and not the egocentric Vincent K. McMahon.
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Bouya
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Vince is part of the problem, but so are their hiring policies. To write for WWE TV, you need some degree and background writing drama and comedy television, and THEN you need an understanding of the WWE product. How about just doing a submission contest and seeing who can write the best show... like Tough Enough, but for the writing side of things?
TV wrestling basically writes itself because there's so many storylines that can be visited time and time again and people will still eat it up. I knew things were going downhill when they did the domestic abuse thing with Beaver Cleavage and the alcohol thing with Jake Roberts. Getting "real" is okay to a point, but with a show where you're supposed to suspend disbelief, getting too real just makes it silly and hard to sit through. HHH humping a corpse, 80+ yr-old women getting pregnant, Kane getting dumped in a flaming dumpster and returning unscathed 7 days later, etc.
A good example of a properly done wrestling segment on this week's RAW was the London/Kendrick v WGTT match. They had the champs out doing commentary and praising both of the teams, and unless they piped in chants via editing, it sounded like the crowd reacted well to the match and were generally entertained. This wasn't a long match, and it was pretty much by the numbers, but it set up a tag title match and put over the Cade/Murdoch gimmick in a few minutes, while talking up four other guys who get little to no promo time. But this just showed me that some guys don't need promo time. If Haas cut some 30-minute HHH style promo, would it have added to the match?
I really hope this congress thing forces them to go back to basics and present a product that doesn't waste oodles of airtime like they do now.
As for TNA, I really want to watch a non-WWE product and see it do well. But when I tune in and all I see are ex-WWE guys in the top spots and Angle's got every belt in the company, that doesn't do much to sell the other guys. So then you get some match that's a 6-man tag, but so and so will have some entourage that comes out to run interference, and those 2 minutes of interference are the only airtime those talents get. I've only watched a few shows of TNA, but they may be worse at mishandling guys on TV than WWE, even.
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Syd Lexia
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TNA is faced with the challenge of building up PPVs with nothing but a one hour TV slot, which is a huge problem. There's simply not enough time to showcase all the talent. They've had to release guys like Norman Smiley because of this, which is a damn shame because Norman Smiley is freaking awesome.
Supposedly TNA is going to get a two hour timeslot stating some point this fall, that should help.
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Bouya
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It's all in how the time is used. Less of Angle holding an awards ceremony or looking for his stolen bags, and you could have some more matches. I'm a fan of the guest commentator method for fitting in match hype, or even the old WWF thing where they'd have a guy call in and talk to the announcers during his opponent's match.
I know old ECW faltered, but ECW's initial buzz was created on a one-hour timeslot that was hard to track down in some markets (it was like 2:30 am on some bootleg sports channel here), but because their product seemed exciting, people would track it down. I think TNA has the guys to definitely sell their show that way, it's just not written as such.
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Knyte
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I agree 110% with what Bjork said above.
And, to add to the remarks over mismanagement of TNA talent. Kip Sopp (Aka Billy Gunn.) was recently interviewed and said that he wanted out of TNA. He said that they keep bringing in old WCW/WWE guys, promising them top dollar and the spotlight, then when they don't prove popular anymore, rather than pushing up talent, they just go out and hire another WCW/WWE guy and do it all over again.
Word is now, that TNA is trying to woo both Goldberg and Brock Lesnar, hoping to get at least one to join the company to be the next big star.
I think they just need to get rid of most of the has-beens and push more guys like A.J. Styles, Petey Williams, and "Black Machismo", and creating fresh and ORIGINAL superstars to carry the company in its rise to take on the WWE.
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Cattivo
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Yeah, get rid of the oldies (except in background roles) and push the youth, and I just might start watching TNA every week.
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Knyte
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Exactly. Kevin Nash has a perfect roll. He knows his wrestling glory days are over, and so he is helping to promote and push younger talent. That's the way it should work. Use the older stars to attract in new viewers, but then have them play more of a manager type roll, and put the fresh talent in the spotlights.
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Bouya
Title: Delinquent
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Whoa... prowrestling.com, not sure how reliable they are, but:
"Apparently Ric Flair quit WWE earlier this week. The possible departure from the company doesn't have anything to do with the recent WWE drug scandal, but sources say he's just frustrated with his push and hasn't received any encouraging communication from WWE management.
As of now WWE hasn't given Ric Flair his release. WWE management are trying hard to get Flair to cool down and not quit the company. Discussions are going on to sort things out because WWE really doesn't want Flair to leave. "
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Syd Lexia
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If Flair does actually leave, I fully expect him to show up in TNA, probably in a management role. He's friends with Jarrett, and in the past they've used Roddy Piper and Dusty Rhodes in those sort of roles with much success, only to have them stolen by the WWE. They also had Larry Zybysko for awhile as the evil head of the TNA Championship Council and he was awesome.
Speaking of Zbysko, he was in one of the fake trailers that was considered for use in Grindhouse. It stars Dian Bachar, who's been in every Matt Stone/Trey Parker movie:
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Bouya
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I'm seeing news that says Booker T has quit now, also.
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Knyte
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Either the Flair rumors were false, or Flair and the WWE had made up.
A report from Wrestle-zone.com:
Ric Flair was on local sports talk show Prime Time with The Packman this morning on WFNZ here in Charlotte. He said he will be opening a new business in Charlotte this week called Ric Flair Finance. Flair talked a little bit of football before the host asked him if he really quit WWE. Flair kinda laughed at it and said "No, it's not true." and asked what WWE would do without him. He didn't seem too sure of himself but he said he would talk more about everything next week on the same show.
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Bouya
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Hopefully that means he took the offer of a big program. While he's nowhere near as fluid in the ring as he used to be, I could really tolerate WWE programming much easier with a Flair promo every week for awhile. It'd be great if they had him come back full-on heel, demask Mysterio in a career vs mask title match, and then roll into WMXXIV in some sort of "retirement" spot to coincide with his HoF induction, if they've still got that pegged for 2008.
If we get some "Flair as GM just to shut him up and keep him off TNA" garbage... :sigh:
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Syd Lexia
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I read about that through LoP. But in the LoP edition, they reported Flair said he'd be on RAW tomorrow.
I'm kinda disappointed that Flair won't be going to TNA. Flair vs. Sting is easily one of the greatest feuds of all-time and to see them in the same company again would be pretty kickass.
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Knyte
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World Wrestling Entertainment has officially released former ECW Champion The Sandman today. Internally within the company, the release was expected over the last 24 hours. There are no details on why he was released as of yet.
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Knyte
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More info on Booker T quiting:
As we broke over the weekend, Robert Huffman (a/k/a King Booker) quit World Wrestling Entertainment after being informed he was going to be suspended 60 days, because he is also believed to have had a test failure to go along with being in the prosecutor's records as receiving packages of steroids. WWE hopes Booker will reconsider, but as we stated this weekend, they are moving forward under the impression that his is finished with the company.
Huffman already had a chip on his shoulder after John Laurinaitis made the call to do the Florida developmental territory, while turning down his PWA promotion in Houston. WWE had also banned their talent from participating in PWA events in Pasadena, Texas, thus causing Huffman to use TNA talent. This raised many people's eyebrows in WWE, but nothing was said.
There was also a contact issue between Huffman and WWE. For years he swore that he would never wrestle a day past 40 (he is now 42). Recently, Huffman was about to sign a new contract, but it's not clear whether it was actually signed. Huffman is said to be in strong economic shape as he's earned a lot of money from his Hip Hop clothing store in Houston, as well as a wrestling school in the city, and a wrestling school he's affiliated with in South Africa.
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Bouya
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It's safe to say 2007 is the worst year ever for WWE, internally.
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Syd Lexia
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He was also supposed to work a program with HHH. One of the clauses he wanted in his new contract would have allowed him to sit in on writing meetings, much like how HHH does. The reason for this was that he didn't want to end up getting repeatedly squashed by Mini McMahon again.
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