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Joined: Dec 06 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 11244

Oh boy...

Simple answer:
Syd, your shit (computer) is weak and you can't keep blaming everything else for the fact that you are not keeping up with the rest of the world.

Explanation:
The internet has evolved beyond simple HTML 4.x code and browsers have become compliant. In addition they have begun to seek ways to become the centerpiece of your computing experience. The truth is, good browsers take advantage of pre-rendering, hardware acceleration, HTML5, audio, video, pictures, interaction, multi-tasking and much more.

They accomplish this by using more RAM. A modern system ships with no less than 4GB now. Four years ago the least you could really get was 1GB.

So don't expect any modern browser to be light weight in terms of memory usage. If you need a browser that isn't as heavy, try using Firefox 3.6. It isn't compliant, it isn't secure, but it hasn't changed in years.

Also worth noting. Firefox has a memory leak. They know it and have been reducing it over the last few builds. It is one of the top priorities to fix for the developers.

I use Chrome as my primary browser and have for a few years now. While I could give a list of reasons why, the truth is, it uses a lot of memory and expecting it to use less than Firefox is unreasonable.

Be happy that less people are using external memory hogs like Flash and are now favoring the HTML 5 Video Spec. Be happy that we can drag and drop files into browsers. Be happy that we don't need to reload pages every time we want to make a dynamic action. But also, be smart and realize that evolution comes at a price.

Buy a computer made within the last 3 years. Have a good video card and at least 4GB of RAM in it.

Posted: Jan 12 2012 02:54 pm

GP, while I agree, and while FireFox has not given me a compelling reason to switch away (tried Chrome for about a week, didn't hate it but didn't feel a need to switch), I DO have a decent rig with 4 gigs of RAM and FireFox still regularly runs at 120-150k, and often goes as high as 200-300k. Granted, I have quite a few apps running, but is that normal?

Joined: Dec 06 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 11244

SoldierHawk wrote:

GP, while I agree, and while FireFox has not given me a compelling reason to switch away (tried Chrome for about a week, didn't hate it but didn't feel a need to switch), I DO have a decent rig with 4 gigs of RAM and FireFox still regularly runs at 120-150k, and often goes as high as 200-300k. Granted, I have quite a few apps running, but is that normal?

It is normal if you have a lot of tabs open or are watching video, or if you are doing other things in your browser.

I normally see Firefox at around 150K and then its plugin container ranges between 300-400K

Posted: Jan 12 2012 03:55 pm

Okay, that makes sense.

And yes, by apps I meant plugins.

All in all, you're just another brick in the wall.

Posted: Jan 12 2012 04:02 pm

Let's start a fund to buy syd a computer that can browse the internet (and play guilty gear)

Posted: Jan 12 2012 04:04 pm

Murdar Machene wrote:

Let's start a fund to buy syd a computer that can browse the internet (and play guilty gear)

i think his new netbook might be capable of both

Joined: Dec 06 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 11244

I have offered to give him one.

Posted: Jan 12 2012 10:27 pm

I tried Chrome once. While it's nice how it doesn't need to restart to change add-ons, they are not nearly as nice as the ones on Firefox right now.

Posted: Jan 12 2012 10:38 pm

GPFontaine wrote:

I have offered to give him one.

It is like my Grandma, she'll call me up and tell me something is wrong with her computer to which I reply, "It has 1 gig of RAM, a tiny hard drive, and a pentium 4. It is old as hell, seriously give me 400 bucks and I'll build you a new one that doesn't take 10 minutes to boot." She never gives in though, and so I have to struggle to get it back into somewhat working order, which at nearly 10 years old is getting harder and harder. I actually had to add another 512 mb of RAM just so it could reliably get on the internet without waiting for 5 minutes for IE to load for her. God forbid I try to show her something on youtube.

At least a couple weeks ago though she bought an iPad 2 for reading ebooks and so hopefully the next time the computer shits itself I can just convince her she doesn't need it anymore.

Joined: Dec 06 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 11244

Funny story, Syd is my grandma.

Posted: Jan 13 2012 04:50 pm

GPFontaine wrote:

Funny story, Syd is my grandma.

Posted: Jan 14 2012 01:08 am

That would explain his love of hard candy and Ronald Reagan...

Posted: Jan 14 2012 09:19 am

For all those folks recommending Chrome, until Chrome 1) Has firefox's library of extensions, 2) isn't made by Google, and 3) doesn't have odd compatibility issues with random webpages, I would still suggest sticking with Firefox.

Joined: Dec 06 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 11244

LordHuffnPuff wrote:

For all those folks recommending Chrome, until Chrome 1) Has firefox's library of extensions, 2) isn't made by Google, and 3) doesn't have odd compatibility issues with random webpages, I would still suggest sticking with Firefox.

1. Chrome has its own list of extensions... what specifically are you looking to do that you are unable to?

2. If IE were the best browser, I would recommend it. I don't care who makes a browser as long as it offers the best feature set. When it no longer offers what I want, I'll change to another one. I have gone from AOL to Netscape to IE to Mozilla to IE to Firefox to Chrome and see no reason why I would buy stock in any of them beyond their immediate utility. Right now Chrome is the best overall browser. When it isn't I'll move along. Also, Chrome is based on Chromium which is open source. Even if you don't trust Google, the underlying product is as open as Firefox.

3. Pages that are not properly coded to standards will sometimes break. It sucks. That isn't the browser's fault. I run into trouble at work where I need to browse some sites in IE or Firefox specifically. It isn't Chrome that causes this issue, it is poor development of web interfaces. As time goes on this issue dwindles because HTML 5 standards are becoming more important and mainstream.

2011 SNES Champ Joined: Dec 04 2006 Posts: 1929

My Firefox likes to reach 500,000 k use after a few hours, and I've seen it go as high as 1,500,000 k. I should probably update. Razz

Posted: Jan 14 2012 05:46 pm

Question: is there a way to import my Firefox bookmarks (complete with folder divisions, etc) into Chrome? If so, I may give it another trial run.

Title: Titlating Joined: Dec 17 2007 Posts: 5042

Xmarks i believe does so

Posted: Jan 14 2012 05:55 pm

SoldierHawk wrote:

Question: is there a way to import my Firefox bookmarks (complete with folder divisions, etc) into Chrome? If so, I may give it another trial run.

It asks when you install.

Posted: Jan 14 2012 05:57 pm

the options toolbar lets you do so

Joined: Dec 18 2007 Posts: 154

My firefox on average is using at least 300,00 RAM

It's awful.

Posted: Jan 15 2012 12:08 pm

Kacen wrote:

My firefox on average is using at least 300,00 RAM

It's awful.

Some webpages or scripts cause it to leak memory. I've got one page I use with greasemonkey, but the script has a leak so eventually I climb up to about 2,000,000, at which point I start to notice a few seconds of hangtime on some pageloads. Of course, just closing and restarting Firefox fixes that.

Joined: Oct 19 2009 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 1479

GPFontaine wrote:

LordHuffnPuff wrote:

For all those folks recommending Chrome, until Chrome 1) Has firefox's library of extensions, 2) isn't made by Google, and 3) doesn't have odd compatibility issues with random webpages, I would still suggest sticking with Firefox.

1. Chrome has its own list of extensions... what specifically are you looking to do that you are unable to?

I make heavy use of Down Them All, mostly for grabbing flac file sets of Grateful Dead shows off of archive.org, but here and there for other things too. I will stick with firefox until Chrome gets its own version.

Joined: Dec 06 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 11244

Optimist With Doubts wrote:

SoldierHawk wrote:

Question: is there a way to import my Firefox bookmarks (complete with folder divisions, etc) into Chrome? If so, I may give it another trial run.

Xmarks i believe does so

If you aren't using Xmarks, you are missing out, so I would agree. It is a wonderful extension that solves your problem, and perhaps your future with browsers in general.

LeshLush wrote:

GPFontaine wrote:

LordHuffnPuff wrote:

For all those folks recommending Chrome, until Chrome 1) Has firefox's library of extensions, 2) isn't made by Google, and 3) doesn't have odd compatibility issues with random webpages, I would still suggest sticking with Firefox.

1. Chrome has its own list of extensions... what specifically are you looking to do that you are unable to?

I make heavy use of Down Them All, mostly for grabbing flac file sets of Grateful Dead shows off of archive.org, but here and there for other things too. I will stick with firefox until Chrome gets its own version.

If you use a browser as an application, simply load it up when you need it and then run the one you want as a browser when you need it. I run Chatzilla for IRC, but I don't browse with Firefox.