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Posted: Oct 21 2011 03:05 pm

Slayer1 wrote:

Preng wrote:

Syd Lexia wrote:

I don't think Elder Scrolls or Mass Effect are bad. They're some of the most beloved games in recent years. I just don't want to commit the time to them. I don't know why, but Western RPGs just don't captivate me the way JRPGs do.

Having played Oblivion, I'll add that the game seems to be one of those love-or-hate RPGs. If I bring it up in a conversation, people will either immediately start raving or rabbling about the game.

The game had a fair amount of bugs, and there's the entire uncanny valley thing going on what with the ultra-close up conversations, but I liked Oblivion because the game offered a great deal of solitude. At any rate, the music is quite excellent.

if anything Oblivion outshines Morrowind... Fuck Morrowind

The problem with Oblivion is a serious lack of some of the spells that made your first time running through Morrowind enjoyable. I remember the first time I was running through the overworld and a body suddenly fell from the sky. I looted it finding an item that let me jump super high, which I used and immediately died from. Oblivion really didn't have anything like that. Plus the world leveling with you to the point that your common bandit had some of the best armor and weapons in the game while you still had shit you scavenged in the first couple quests, really ruined my first playthrough of the game.

Not to say it wasn't enjoyable once I learned that you never, ever level up until you know you could take down a bandit wielding a glass sword reasonably well. I've had a lot of fun with it but it just never felt as entertaining as Morrowind to me. At least Skyrim comes out soon.

Posted: Oct 21 2011 03:57 pm

Preng wrote:

Having played Oblivion, I'll add that the game seems to be one of those love-or-hate RPGs. If I bring it up in a conversation, people will either immediately start raving or rabbling about the game.

The game had a fair amount of bugs, and there's the entire uncanny valley thing going on what with the ultra-close up conversations, but I liked Oblivion because the game offered a great deal of solitude. At any rate, the music is quite excellent.

I haven't played the Mass Effect series, so I don't have any relevant comments.

Oblivion was full of bugs(360 version anyways). I played through it the first time legit, but the second time did the trick were you punch the ground, hit pause and try to drop arrows then drop something else and however many arrows you had, you would have that many of the other thing. I just confused anyone who doesn't know what I'm talking about.
Only complaint about mass effect(1 that is), is that the vehicle controls sucked horribly. The story was good enough to make up for that, though.

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Slayer1 wrote:

Preng wrote:

Syd Lexia wrote:

I don't think Elder Scrolls or Mass Effect are bad. They're some of the most beloved games in recent years. I just don't want to commit the time to them. I don't know why, but Western RPGs just don't captivate me the way JRPGs do.

Having played Oblivion, I'll add that the game seems to be one of those love-or-hate RPGs. If I bring it up in a conversation, people will either immediately start raving or rabbling about the game.

The game had a fair amount of bugs, and there's the entire uncanny valley thing going on what with the ultra-close up conversations, but I liked Oblivion because the game offered a great deal of solitude. At any rate, the music is quite excellent.

if anything Morrowind outshines Oblivion... Fuck Oblivion

FTFY.

Posted: Oct 22 2011 01:58 am

MellowMeek wrote:

Slayer1 wrote:

Preng wrote:

Syd Lexia wrote:

I don't think Elder Scrolls or Mass Effect are bad. They're some of the most beloved games in recent years. I just don't want to commit the time to them. I don't know why, but Western RPGs just don't captivate me the way JRPGs do.

Having played Oblivion, I'll add that the game seems to be one of those love-or-hate RPGs. If I bring it up in a conversation, people will either immediately start raving or rabbling about the game.

The game had a fair amount of bugs, and there's the entire uncanny valley thing going on what with the ultra-close up conversations, but I liked Oblivion because the game offered a great deal of solitude. At any rate, the music is quite excellent.

if anything Morrowind outshines Oblivion... Fuck Oblivion

FTFY.

heh appreciate that... but no seriously, when I started playing Morrowind, I tried to follow everything that the game told me to do but it just felt to be such a stretch. Go find the blades contact, run through a barren wasteland where the only things you encounter are insects and flying things. I wanted to go out and kill some rogues, enter tournaments and be a total medieval BAMF. I didn't get to do any of that until I started messing around with the console.

The only part of the game I could actually sink my teeth into was the expansion pack Blood Moon. Going to Solstheim and getting the Werewolf virus was about the best part of that expansion pack. I did that even before I went out to find the Blades agent.

Oblivion, I felt fixed the barren emptiness of Morrowind and made it more of a jumping into point at the beginning, versus what felt like half way through the game. Plus, what other game would have you go to another world and act as an agent of the God of Madness, Lord Sheogorath?

Back to the topic at hand, I can't STAND the Dragon Age games...

Posted: Oct 22 2011 04:13 am

taterfyrings wrote:

Morrowind is awesome. Also:

GPFontaine wrote:

I solved the Esper/sword debacle. I chose to not make the choice. Ever. My cart game has everyone with every spell at level 99 with maxed out stats based on Esper choices during level ups. Yet no fucking Ragnorock. People wonder why I like FFIV better than FFVI... perhaps I enjoy a little bit of fucking structure in my characters so that my god damn OCD doesn't destroy days of my life.

Every rpg gets fucked if you level to much, that is nothing special with FFVI. Also, FFIV offers almost no customization, making the "rpg"-label almost strange IMO. Still a great game and my second favorite in the series, but the gameplay is not where it shines imo. And the difficulty of the western version was ridiculous.

This is exactly what I say about FFIV. It's limiting as far as control over your characters. Like you said, almost no customization. Which means every trip through the game is pretty much the same. It had a good story, but in all honesty the only playable characters I really cared for were Yang and Edge. One of which you had to lose based upon the story. This is why I still prefer V and VI. Not only were they both more epic, but they allowed for far more flexibility in gameplay. If I wanted to have 4 fighters just like Yang to take on NeoXdeth, then I could do so. I was really hoping I could fight Zeromus with Yang. Wouldn't that be cool?

Posted: Oct 22 2011 10:55 am

You can take Yang to fight Zeromus in the Final Fantasy IV Advance version.

Posted: Oct 22 2011 12:17 pm

slapolakinkaido wrote:

This is exactly what I say about FFIV. It's limiting as far as control over your characters. Like you said, almost no customization. Which means every trip through the game is pretty much the same. It had a good story, but in all honesty the only playable characters I really cared for were Yang and Edge. One of which you had to lose based upon the story. This is why I still prefer V and VI. Not only were they both more epic, but they allowed for far more flexibility in gameplay. If I wanted to have 4 fighters just like Yang to take on NeoXdeth, then I could do so. I was really hoping I could fight Zeromus with Yang. Wouldn't that be cool?

To ensure that Atma doesn't hunt me down, I will be quick to say that Final Fantasy IV is an excellent game that deserves much of its praise. Yet I'd have to agree with your thoughts here. While that problem certainly exists in other RPGs, I feel it damages a game's replay value. I thoroughly played Final Fantasy IV Advance once but haven't had much desire to give it another go.

Tomdincan wrote:

You can take Yang to fight Zeromus in the Final Fantasy IV Advance version.

Yeah, it was a nice touch that they added end-game features such as letting you use older party members and including challenge dungeons with newer weapons.

Not that he would be much use at the end of the game as his stats decrease as he levels, but Tellah is obviously still a goner. Maybe that'll change in the inevitable release of Final Fantasy IV Advance: Ultra Hyperfighting Edition Let's Fighting Love.

Posted: Oct 22 2011 03:07 pm

IV was one of my favorites, but the end game killed me the first time. I thought I was leveled up pretty good but those damn monsters on the moon just made me rage quit the first time I played. After the Complete Collection came out, I didn't mind grinding as much. (thank god for a mind numbing job)

Posted: Oct 22 2011 03:55 pm

I can honestly say I've never bothered to beat IV because I'll play for a while then realize there is no customization and quit. Then a few months later I'll think about playing it again and repeat the process. I like to have some control over my characters and the lack of it makes that game pretty much unplayable for me.

Posted: Oct 22 2011 04:21 pm

I get to the moon and quit every time. I've played through it three times, each time on a different system and every single time I do I stop when I get to the moon. The game has a decent story but it never really was enough incentive to get me to finish it.

Posted: Oct 22 2011 11:12 pm

taterfyrings wrote:

Every rpg gets fucked if you level to much, that is nothing special with FFVI. Also, FFIV offers almost no customization, making the "rpg"-label almost strange IMO. Still a great game and my second favorite in the series, but the gameplay is not where it shines imo. And the difficulty of the western version was ridiculous.

Customization isn't an explicit quality of an RPG. Dragon Warrior 1 is most certainly an RPG, and you don't get to choose your party in that game. Hell, you don't even get a party, you get one guy and he learns set spells at set levels. Dragon Warrior 2, you get a party, but it's comprised of three story-specific characters.

The heart and soul of an RPG is turn-based combat, combined with a stat system that is effected by leveling and equipment.

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Syd Lexia wrote:

taterfyrings wrote:

Every rpg gets fucked if you level to much, that is nothing special with FFVI. Also, FFIV offers almost no customization, making the "rpg"-label almost strange IMO. Still a great game and my second favorite in the series, but the gameplay is not where it shines imo. And the difficulty of the western version was ridiculous.

Customization isn't an explicit quality of an RPG. Dragon Warrior 1 is most certainly an RPG, and you don't get to choose your party in that game. Hell, you don't even get a party, you get one guy and he learns set spells at set levels. Dragon Warrior 2, you get a party, but it's comprised of three story-specific characters.

The heart and soul of an RPG is turn-based combat, combined with a stat system that is effected by leveling and equipment.

Saying that the heart and soul of an RPG is turn-based combat is ludicrous when you take games like Secret of Mana into consideration. SoM is regarded as an Action RPG, so if we go by your terms, then you're saying it is an Action turn-based combat game. Which makes absolutely no sense. Furthermore, you're then saying that games like the Tales series, or any other game of the sort (like Eternal Sonata, or the Elder Scrolls series) are not RPGs either. I smell a flaw in your system.

Posted: Oct 23 2011 12:54 am

ChaoticIgnorance wrote:

Syd Lexia wrote:

taterfyrings wrote:

Every rpg gets fucked if you level to much, that is nothing special with FFVI. Also, FFIV offers almost no customization, making the "rpg"-label almost strange IMO. Still a great game and my second favorite in the series, but the gameplay is not where it shines imo. And the difficulty of the western version was ridiculous.

Customization isn't an explicit quality of an RPG. Dragon Warrior 1 is most certainly an RPG, and you don't get to choose your party in that game. Hell, you don't even get a party, you get one guy and he learns set spells at set levels. Dragon Warrior 2, you get a party, but it's comprised of three story-specific characters.

The heart and soul of an RPG is turn-based combat, combined with a stat system that is effected by leveling and equipment.

Saying that the heart and soul of an RPG is turn-based combat is ludicrous when you take games like Secret of Mana into consideration. SoM is regarded as an Action RPG, so if we go by your terms, then you're saying it is an Action turn-based combat game. Which makes absolutely no sense. Furthermore, you're then saying that games like the Tales series, or any other game of the sort (like Eternal Sonata, or the Elder Scrolls series) are not RPGs either. I smell a flaw in your system.

syd is old fashioned. he doesnt like these active battle RPG's (like KOTOR... which doesnt have turn based combat, but still uses D20 rules to determine damage when in combat)

Posted: Oct 23 2011 01:40 am

Tomdincan wrote:

You can take Yang to fight Zeromus in the Final Fantasy IV Advance version.

Really? I haven't played the advance versions. I guess I'll have to check it out..

And for the record, FFIV is an awesome game. Just not my personal favorite one. So I don't want to get into a "pissing contest" (as Douche calls it), over which is the best Final Fantasy.