I have a few things to say regarding this.

First off if you complain about how a console looks you are a fucking moron. A console is meant to play games, not sit there and be the next Mona Lisa. Granted i don't want a console shaped like a dildo sitting in the corner of my room but there is nothing wrong aesthetically with any console that comes to mind.

I noticed that the N64 was mentioned and the beginning of it's fall from grace. Now i never owned a N64 as a kid so my view of it is without "nostalgia goggles". I've played loads of good N64 games, like any console it has it's shit games but it's library is prob equal to that of the PS1. The problem i have with the N64 isn't the games and maybe this was what was being addressed with regards to the aesthetics of the console but i misunderstood: The N64 controller is quite possibly the worst controller i have ever used. It's just a total clusterfuck and it's really awkward to use, using my left hand to push the trigger is really annoying. The PS1 controller (and even as a kid i would prob have thought this) is far superior. It just works better, it's better laid out, the analogue sticks - although not originally on the controller, flows so much better. I guess it was just Nintendo trying to be innovative and out there and let's not be unfair, N64 succeeds in terms of innovation. I saw a picture online regarding the next gen consoles Wii U and stuff... just as Sony and Microsoft are trying to cash in on the motion sensing wave-your-arms-around-like-an-idiot fad Nintendo has went to back to controller based consoles. I find that amusing. So kudos to Nintendo for that but yes i think the controller is one of the reasons for it's failings.

If i also recall Resident Evil did come out for N64 and it had some piece of hardware that you had to add to the N64 or something to play it - it was a long time ago. Irregardless the game had horrendous load times and controlled like shit - mainly because of the controller. Also i remember seeing that FFVII was meant to get a port to N64 but it was cancelled, not that it matters it looked like total shit lol.

Onto Gamecube, i guess it has the same problem with regards to the controller? I remember when my mate first saw the controller and his words are fresh in my mind "what the fuck is this shit?" Of course the Gamecube doesn't have a poor library either but i think this may have been the beginning of the two sides: 1. Nintendo and what is regarded as more a console for Kids and 2. Sony and Microsoft with the more adult titles or what has now become virtually every single game released is a shit, poorly made FPS.

I have nothing to say about Xbox as i never owned one but i imagine that it had the same sort of games as a PS2. You could place your trust in Sony because it was already in the gaming market and Xbox was more of a new comer which may be why the sales were less than that of PS2.

I want to comment briefly on the current gen even though it's not a part of the discussion lol.

I guess this is sort of related but if you think through each of the three companies product history there is a trend. Basically Nintendo is the innovator and Sony and Microsoft are the same throughout.

None of Nintendos consoles are the same, there is always something new and fresh to make gaming fun. Sony and Microsoft pretty much just release boxes with the same designs (in controllers anyway).

I am not really a "Fan" of any console, i don't believe in this sort of console war shit, i find it to be really stupid though and really the only consoles i ever get are Nintendo and Sony consoles - not Xbox ones because i dislike the controller design, it feels weird in my hand.

So what i want to say is what i said on IRC a while ago which i think is an interesting point. I don't see how the Xbox 360 is a good console. Irrespective of "exclusives" the only thing that people seem to measure a console on it's just a really bad console and what i am going to say is more from a business and customer-business relationship point of view rather than a gamers view.

How is it acceptable in the era that we live in that a major corporation can release a console which doesn't work. Of course i am referring here to the RROD.

Now this isn't fanboyism of "herp derp xbox sucks" it's just something i can't get my head around. For majority of the life cycle of the Xbox 360 it has had this problem which i compared it to on the IRC as "buying a chair with three legs" and saying that it's good.

I know people who have went through 8 360 consoles. That is just ridiculous....but yet people continue to buy them.

Now i am going to have to revert to gamer stuff here. It confuses me why people would want to buy a console were they are going to having to be hassled by shipping it off to get fixed every x amount of time.

Is it because it's cheaper? Is it because it has "better" exclusives?

I find that both these reasons are not good reasons to buy a console which is defective. It is one of the primary reasons why i bought a PS3.

...and also don't say that Xbox Live is better than PSN. That is irrelevant, the core functions of both of them is to provide an online gaming service which they both do. All Live does is make you pay for extra stuff you don't even need - and enjoy buying a new console if you get banned from the service.

Now of course all the consoles have their own problems. I am merely just stating here why the 360 is the worst out of all them.

joshwoodzy wrote:

First off, Alowishus, I own both versions of RE2. The one for Nintendo 64 doesn't have any fucking load times, as it's on a cartridge. The Playstation one being on a CD, has awful load times. I really don't know what you were talking about there.

Okay. My bad it's pretty hard to recall a random one time event when i was 7 or so regarding the game. All i remember is being at my mates house and one of his other friends brought it over and there was something wrong with it, it may not have been load times but there was definitely a problem of some degree related to the running of the game, maybe it was the guys copy of the game, i dunno i can't remember.

Fernin wrote:

Your point about people "having" to ship the 360 isn't one that holds true for every single 360, Alow. Just as many people, if not more, have perfectly good 360's that they've never sent in to Microsoft once. The experiences of "people you know" aren't a good basis to judge an entire console on.

You have obviously missed my point here and i couldn't be assed trying to explain it.

EDIT: Now i have time to reply.

atomjacked wrote:

AS far as the N64 and the dominance of Sony in that generation and the next one, it was basically because of a single game: Final Fantasy VII. Here is a link to an article that has an image of an ad put out by both Sony and Square at the time. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/issues/issue_292/8619-Ad-Wars It says in the ad itself "If it were available on cartridge, it'd retail for $1,200." That was Sony basically saying they were better and cheaper. And it worked very well. And as far as the PS3 and 360 are concerned, the first generation of both were not well made in my opinion. My PS# lasted 1 week before it shit itself and the 360 lasted almost a year. At least Microsoft did not try to charge my almost $200 to get it fixed. I don't think it hurt the 360 that much because there was more support for the 360 at the time and people kind of expect Microsoft to make shitty products, with its notoriety of the BSOD and all.

I know other people mentioned it but i brought up FFVII because recently i remember seeing an internet reviewer - who i can't remember, i only watch Spoony, AVGN and Nostalgia Critic really and i am positive none of them did it but the review was of like a demo of FFVII before it was released and the comparison between the actual game and the demo released to see the changes. I'm 99% sure i didn't imagine this (because sometimes i do) but there was a video or something of FFVII for N64 and i have this image in my head of the game and it looked really peculiar, like the characters were rendered really weird and they were like shorter and fatter - if that makes sense. That's what i based my "it looked like shit" on.

As for the 360 stuff i expected backlash on this, like i said in the initial post i am not a fanboy and i strived to be unbias with my comments. I am aware that PS3 had the YLOD (y being yellow) but it was extremely rare, i remember percentage rates for it being like 0.000001% when i first read about it. This was my criticism of Xbox360 and why it is the worst current gen console though, this is why i didn't mention it and i also mentioned that the other consoles have problems - that is one of them because as rare as the problem is i know 1 guy it happened to. I could even pinpoint the exact time he told me about it (GGY2028 Approaches to Geographical Enquiry, Tutorial, Approx Time: 3pm if you are so interested) and a good friend of mine told me about the problem he had with his ps3 and it was one of the first times i had heard about it and he said that there was a significant price to pay to get it fixed to which i replied you would be better buying another console.

Back on Xbox 360 however. I disagree with what you say. The reason i wrote what i did is that although Microsoft does have problems i have faith in their products. I still won't buy a 360 because none of my friends play them but the whole thing behind why i have a problem with them and why i have a problem with people saying Xbox 360 is the best console ever is because it has a design fault - at least the earlier models anyway - i am totally aware that it doesn't effect the current models.
We know the percentage rate of failure on the PS3, lets throw up some figures of the RROD rate (since i have noticed there have been some people who didn't understand what i was saying)

Here's one article: http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/03/anecdotal-red-ring-of-death-rate-is-33-says-dailytech/

33% failure rate.

Let's see if we can find more.

http://kotaku.com/5339555/report-xbox-360-failure-rate-over-50-percent

50% failure rate of 360s. I noticed that there was a 10% for ps3s, that's pretty high too, with Wii not far behind.

The PS3 and Wii figures aren't forgivable either but still Xbox 360. That was only page 1 results.

Between 33 - 50% failure rate. These are the stats. No one can say now that the console is fine with fucking hard facts like this. The fact is with this although not everyones 360 has crapped out - that is not the point. The point is that peoples have been crapping out and an alarmingly high rate. It doesn't mean jack shit if i know wee Jonny from down the lanes xbox crapped out 8 times, it's the fact that it HAS crapped out THAT many times. Doesn't there seem like there's something wrong with that? The figures seem to show that there is something wrong.

I need to point out here that i am not saying you shouldn't buy one. If your friends have one, you like the games then go for it. I am just a random guy on the internet who you will never meet and within a year or two you will probably never hear of again. What i am saying with this is i am not trashing anyones decision regarding what consoles they buy, i am saying this was a neutral (but my own) viewpoint which is what basically every single thing/opinion/whatever i post on this site by myself is. Please don't take this to heart and let me also say that in a parallel universe where i bought a 360 and it crapped out, i would still be making this post because my opinion would be exactly the same (unless it was a parallel universe where i didn't have this viewpoint...let's not go there :p haha)