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Syd Lexia
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http://blogs.computerworld.com/18781/will_the_apple_iphone_5_kill_nintendo
This showed up in my Alexa toolbar, and it irritated the hell out of me. I know when an article has a byline that says "Apple Holic", I shouldn't take it seriously, but honestly, that just pissed me off more. Also, "Appleholic" is one word, you fucking stupid piece of trash. You can hyphenate it if you really want, to let us know it's an oh so clever pun, but it's still one fucking word.
First off, why go after Nintendo exclusively? It's not like Sony or Microsoft are frothing at the bit to release games for the iOS, either. PSP and Vita are both viewed as competing with the iPhone, and the Windows Phone was launched SPECIFICALLY to try and kill the iPhone.
Secondly, the iPhone 5 won't kill Nintendo. I haven't been able to find any concrete information on the iPhone 5 because the Google search results are 95% spam blogs, but unless the iPhone 5 features a radical redesign that includes multiple buttons and D-Pad, then we'll be getting the same crappy gaming experience that we've been getting. The iPhone currently offers a gaming experience somewhere between subpar DS controls and subpar Atari 2600 controls. The fact that games are the biggest category in the App Store is not indicative of the games being good, it is indicative of piracy. In 2011, iTunes giftcards are one of the safest choices out of there to give as a gift. And in an age where movies and music are easily pirated, people need something to spend their iTunes giftcards on. And that is games. Alternatively, with the all money people save by pirating music and movies for their iPhone, they are more likely to be receptive to throwing away money on games. But iOS was solely a gaming platform, it would fail. iOS is something that plays games, if you're really bored or desperate to play games. It is not a serious gaming platform that can play any sort of serious game. Hell, even something as basic Final Fantasy I would be a chore to play on the iOS.
At the end of the day, this article is the same sort of whining we hear from elderly techies like Jonny Evans all the time. They liked Nintendo when Nintendo was trendy, and they still have fond, trendy memories of playing old Nintendo games, but now that Nintendo's not trendy, they want to be able to play old Nintendo games on whatever trendy platform they're currently using.
"Hai, why doesnt they nintendo have any mario games on the iphone or 360? i want mario on my iphone."
You're an idiot. Shut up. Die.
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HardcoreGamer4Ever
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This is the kind of idiocy that Michael Pachter spews, yet everyone in the video game industry takes his shit seriously and actually believes him.
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Alowishus
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This has just reached a stage of madness and it's been a long time coming.
I remember a day when PHONES WERE JUST FUCKING PHONES.
The iphone 5 is a fucking phone, it's in the name for fuck sake. The idea that people think that apple is going to buttfuck nintendo is totally hilarious.
The games on iphones are total shit and the controls are total shit.
Woopdedoo if it's going to have a control/d-pad. The appleidiots also forget that it's a handheld device. Majority of Nintendos income i'd reckon comes from the home console market and not the handheld one.
And... Apple is the biggest corp in America. Yes AMERICA. These people also forget that the combined worth of Nintendo Europe, Japan and America - and whatever other regions there is probably dick all over apple.
These apple fanboys/girls grind my gears so much.
They splash out and buy a computer which is at least £500 more expensive than a normal computer and it has outdated parts, all because it has a little silver apple stuck on the side.
Shit i fucking had a Mac as a kid. Mac circa 1994 and i said to people i had a Mac computer and they looked at me strange - "what is a mac?". Mac weren't even popular over here, it was the subject of ridicule that i had some subpar computer.
Fast forward to the 21st century: Everyone is rubbing their dicks over apple products.
FUCKING CONSUMERISM.
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Well the issue is that nintendo and the iOS platform cater to a similar audience. Some of my favorite games on the ds are not deep games. Scribblenauts, professor layton,mario kart. Fun quick games to play for less than an hour. The IOS has the same idea in find and far cheaper.
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Greg the White
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I imagine it more in my head as "Apple Hole-ic" as in the way an "Applehole" would act.
I see this a lot lately, and most of the editorials I see mention Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo. They all seem to think since Angry Birds is so popular, then in a few years, everybody is going to throw away their TVs, consoles, AAA games, and clever indie games so we can all play "Ninja Zombie Poker Tower Defense" on our iPhones.
These editorials don't seem to take in demographics, though. When tablets and iPhones can create smooth 3D visuals and handle large games, the whole "Apple owns gaming" thing won't happen. Sure, they'll have a big share of the market that consists of "everyone who owns an Apple product," but do you really think hardcore decades-long Nintendo fans will give up on Zelda and Mario? Or Gears of War/Call of Duty/Crysis gamers will forever quit their beautiful violent action fests in favor of more cutesy, 2D games on a 3 inch screen? Apple will not run all of gaming like people say.
That isn't to say that they don't have any good ideas. Apple's market allows easy, cheap distribution for developers with neat ideas, not to mention making gaming more popular in the mainstream. I just don't see them wrecking the marketing place, considering they have to fight against established, decades-old brands, other up-coming distributors, and the fact that it can only deliver upon its own product (until an iPad can run Rage). This makes it feel like it competes in its own market, rather against console makers. Eventually, I see them entering the market as a competitor, but I don't see them completely dominating it as many have been saying.
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Syd Lexia
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Yeah, there are some completely brilliant ideas on the iPhone. For example, Angry Birds. Sure it's simple, but it is brilliant in its simplicity.
But you are really limited in what you can do on the platform.
Cave, one of the most famous (and one of the only) modern shmup developers recently declared that they would be shifting their focus from consoles to iOS dule to lower dev costs and dire financial straights. This is a lose-lose situation. The iOS is an awful platform for shmups. AWFUL. So if Cave's shift succeeds, then their decision is vindicated and they continue to focus on making crappy iOS games. If the shift fails, they go out of business. I don't know which of those ideas are prefer. I suppose I prefer seeing them fold, so that their top programmers might start over somewhere else. And even if they didn't start over, I prefer no games to bad games I won't buy.
N*Gage had two major problems:
As a phone, it was unwieldy.
As a gaming device, it was annoying, because you had to remove the batteries to change the cartridge. I think this may have been fixed in later models.
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Ultimately they will find a way to fix the interface problem for gaming on a phone. They aren't even close yet though.
Apple would choose to possibly buy Nintendo because it would round out their portfolio and allow them to cross big name gaming icons with previously disallowed devices. Personally I hope that this never happens. The world needs an independent Nintendo. The world needs less single companies running every aspect of our lives. Apple doesn't know jack shit about entertaining the average person.
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Syd Lexia
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For Apple to buy Nintendo, Nintendo would have to be for sale. Presumptively, at least 51% of the stock shares aren't on the market.
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Personally, I think that while the iOS platform does have some good games (Angry Birds), there certainly aren't enough good games on it to really damage Nintendo's market share. A lot of the time, the iOS App Store are quanity over quality. While Apple could take from Nintendo's market share, they wouldn't be able to kill Nintendo, nor come close to it.
Also, a lot of games on the iPhone, iPod touch and iPad are simply games made to pass the time. People actually expect this. If Nintendo made a 'Toss the scrunched bit of paper into a bin' game, which already exists on the iPhone, on the 3DS, no one would buy it. The same goes for any developer who develops games for Nintendo consoles. Meanwhile, people will buy and play these games if they were on an iPhone.
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I don't rage at Apple because they aren't really a part of my life, but at the same time I don't care because I highly doubt they could have anything to offer me that I'd give a shit about it. It just doesn't bother me.
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Douche McCallister
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| I don't rage at Apple because they aren't really a part of my life, but at the same time I don't care because I highly doubt they could have anything to offer me that I'd give a shit about it. It just doesn't bother me. |
Ditto, when they release a home console or a dedicated handheld, I'll "worry" about it then. I use the word worry very loosely.
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Greg the White
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| joshwoodzy wrote: |
| I don't rage at Apple because they aren't really a part of my life, but at the same time I don't care because I highly doubt they could have anything to offer me that I'd give a shit about it. It just doesn't bother me. |
I kind of feel the same way about Justin Bieber.
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Nothing's killing Nintendo. Apple's definitely taking a slice of the handheld gaming pie, but Nintendo'll do fine, as will Sony. That said, this Holiday season is definitely going to make or break the 3DS.
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I actually own an Apple console. It is called the Apple Bandai Pippin and it was not great at all. I only have five games for the thing. They released a lot of shit for it. I believe the released many more games in the Japanese market. I recall there being a fuckton of Gundam games for the system.
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I'm not sure how relevant this is, but it pisses me off the same way.
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Syd Lexia
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iPhone games are what you play when you can't get at actual games. You know, like how sometimes alcoholics drink mouthwash.
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The Opponent
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I bought two 3DS Virtual Console games for $10 and I certainly don't feel cheated. I doubt that $10 worth of cell phone games can keep my interest for that long, and I have quite a few free ones on my phone right now.
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| Syd Lexia wrote: |
| iPhone games are what you play when you can't get at actual games. You know, like how sometimes alcoholics drink mouthwash. |
Hahaha, very awesome analogy.
Perfectly describes the situation.
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The Opponent
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We're game addicts with really high standards. Is there a problem with that?
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| Syd Lexia wrote: |
| iPhone games are what you play when you can't get at actual games. You know, like how sometimes alcoholics drink mouthwash. |
Do you mind if I put this in my signature, Syd?
Also, I don't see why Apple would be able to defeat Nintendo. There are very few good games on it that can't be played on a Nintendo console of some sort. Also, I don't know about you guys, but I've also tried to play Sonic The Hedgehog on my brother in law's iPod Touch and found it rather difficult, as the touch screen gave no physical feedback and allowed your fingers to block part of the screen.
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| the touch screen gave no physical feedback and allowed your fingers to block part of the screen. |
This is the reason I believe phone games will always be its own market that will not overturn the current portable market. Combining the interface with the display compresses the total experience to the point that the games will never feel like they're worth more than a few dollars. I can't even emulate without proper buttons.
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| the touch screen gave no physical feedback and allowed your fingers to block part of the screen. |
This is the reason I believe phone games will always be its own market that will not overturn the current portable market. Combining the interface with the display compresses the total experience to the point that the games will never feel like they're worth more than a few dollars. I can't even emulate without proper buttons. |
Agreed. I have emulators on my iPod touch and iPad. The touch controls are a nightmare (which is why I usually connect up a Wiimote via bluetooth and use that). However, there are some games that have good touch control. Pac-Man for iPad would be one of those (swipe anywhere on the screen in the direction you want to move Pac-Man).
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Most of these cell phone games are a waste of time, anyway. If I REALLY need portable gaming THAT bad, I have a PSP, a DS Lite, and a hacked PSP that has NES, SNES, Genesis and Game Boy on it.
The only thing I really use on my phone besides the, um, phone, and texts is the news, Facebook, and a TVTropes app.
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| Syd Lexia wrote: |
| iPhone games are what you play when you can't get at actual games. You know, like how sometimes alcoholics drink mouthwash. |
You can do that?!
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