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The Opponent
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PostPosted: Jul 15 2011 10:43 pm Reply with quote Back to top

GPFontaine wrote:
The-Excel wrote:
I don't like Sony laptops because of the excessively flashy boot sequence they all have. I grew up with extremely minimal POST sequences and seeing high-level graphics before the OS is loaded makes me think the graphics card will just wear down faster. That should tell you what I think of that future.

UEFI is going to be a true mind fuck for you.

How do these people not get it? You're not supposed to bring out the window dressing until after memory is tested!


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PostPosted: Jul 16 2011 09:55 am Reply with quote Back to top

Why is it that people can always accept things that existed prior to their lives and even be ok with new things up until they are about 15-18... yet after that they just can't stand things changing?

Should we argue over the last decades work in chemistry, finding 6 new elements...

Should we flip out that in math class calculators are a requirement because the subject matter is well beyond what we can do on paper with a pencil in a reasonable amount of time?

How about cars? Can't stand those seat warmers, coolers, recliners, auto-positioners, lumbar supporters.

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Fuck innovation. Fuck the idea that things can change!

I'm sorry, but this sentiment is pathetic. Things, especially technology, will never stop changing. Embrace the fact that change will occur, or be left behind. You will be the crotchety old fool that younger generations avoid talking to just to skip hearing you bitch about the way things were better in the past.

This doesn't mean you should embrace every change, however you might want to involve yourselves in the process of that change.

EFI - Supported since 2000 - 11 years old
Windows XP Luna Theme - Supported since 2001 - 10 years old
Aero integration into Windows - Supported since 2005 - 6 years old

If you don't like these changes, tough shit. You did nothing to fix them when they occurred. Hardware acceleration will only increase. Expect the browser to be the most heavily hit segment in the next few years. Interfaces will continue to change. Touch screens are a huge part of the future and so is the web.



 
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Syd Lexia
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PostPosted: Jul 16 2011 10:46 am Reply with quote Back to top

There have been interior innovations in cars, all of which I appreciate. I couldn't own a classic car without complete raping the inside of it. There have not been any exterior innovations, however. Cars today look like crap. The '81 Monte Carlo is what a car should look like. Cars today are all either boxy bullshit or curvy bullshit.

I appreciate innovations, when they're useful. I buy new games, and new gaming systems. With an OS, I appreciate improvements in PERFORMANCE. New sesthetics don't improve performance. The only reason they're there is because the average consumer is too fucking stupid to believe that each Windows OS is really new unless they make it "look new".
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Douche McCallister
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PostPosted: Jul 16 2011 11:30 am Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
The '81 Monte Carlo is what a car should look like. Cars today are all either boxy bullshit or curvy bullshit.

Eww, No. The Dodge Charger is what a car should look like..


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PostPosted: Jul 16 2011 11:39 am Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
I appreciate innovations, when they're useful. I buy new games, and new gaming systems. With an OS, I appreciate improvements in PERFORMANCE. New sesthetics don't improve performance.

Agreed. For one thing, I really don't like the trend of giving web-browsers fancy GUIs (Firefox 4 onwards).

Also, I wish I could go one step further with the making-your-modern-OS-look-like-an-old-one and make the GUI look and operate like Windows 95. Why that instead of 98? This:
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Windows 98's Explorer

I really don't like the 'make it look like a webpage' view here. Also, when I had 98, I rarely, if ever, used those large buttons at the top, apart from the back and forward buttons.

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Windows 95's Explorer

To me, this is Windows Explorer at it's finest.

(Sorry about the size of this post due to the unscaled images, but I can't stand scaled screenshots)


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GPFontaine
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PostPosted: Jul 16 2011 12:22 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Explorer looking like that is a joke in today's modern computing age.

Windows 7 vs photos above:

1. No favorite folders on the left side. I'm sorry, but I use like 4 folders on a regular basis. I want fast access to those.
2. No library access. I don't keep everything inside the same folder because dumb ass programmers can't seem to keep their shit together and use the My Documents/My Pictures/My Music/etc folders correctly. So the libraries allow me to easily see my music pictures or videos together without needing to browse multiple folders.
3. I like a status bar at the bottom of the page that gives me details about what I am looking at. I want to see collective stats and information on files without right clicking.
4. The Address bar is not negotiable. I type my paths sometimes, and I like being able to click on a parent folder to navigate to it.
5. 90% of what I do in explorer is looking for something. No integrated search would mean that I would need to use a 3rd party product such as Google Desktop or Everything.
6. Network browsing barely worked in any OS up until Vista. I call bullshit on that icon even existing on the left side of the screen prior to 2005.
7. Photos are much easier to view in thumnails... don't see that in older Explorer
8. The preview panel is great when you are searching for something and want to quickly navigate through some text documents without opening them all up
9. File system tree view missing as a default was ridiculous, however it was possible to open in Win98. you had to open Explorer.exe not My Computer. It is by default enabled on Windows 7 starting with "Computer".
10. Colors and px matter. I prefer the larger icons 256x256px capable icons means that they are cleaner, clearer and more usable when resolutions are adjusted and different screens are applied. Old school 32px icons are fine for standard view, but they aren't useful in a dynamic environment.

Most people like old explorer because they are familiar with it and haven't learned the new one. Take some time to learn how to use the new one and you will find that it is infinitely better than it used to be, and for those comparing operating systems, it is about a billion times better than Finder. Seriously Apple, get your head out of your ass... pressing Enter on a file doesn't mean I want to rename it.



 
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Syd Lexia
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PostPosted: Jul 16 2011 01:11 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I have very simple needs. I organize my files well, and I only use a handful of programs. I want three things out of an OS: speed, comfort, and effective resource management. That's it. And speed is just as much a product of the hardware as it is the software.
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Blackout
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PostPosted: Jul 16 2011 06:16 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Question, do you have the original installation disc for Win98? If not by one off ebay and install that over whatever new OS is on your new computer.



 
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PostPosted: Jul 16 2011 06:34 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I really don't understand why GP is so angry that Syd wants to make his desktop look different. Syd isn't a tech guy, most people aren't tech guys, so most of the stuff you are pointing out doesn't really matter to the laymen with simple needs.


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PostPosted: Jul 16 2011 06:43 pm Reply with quote Back to top

You know I've had to go back and use older Windows versions when fixing other people's computers, and I have to say I fucking hate 95 and 98's explorer after being on 7. That shit is nearly completely useless for finding what you need quickly. On 7 if I know something is in Downloads or Documents, all I need to do is click the explorer button on my taskbar and there the folder is listed on the left even above the C: drive. Takes me 5 seconds to be in there and finding the thing I want. On older versions it would take 4-5 times that many clicks to get where you wanted starting from My Computer. Fuck that, give me ease of access any day of the week. Plus if I have a folder I use a lot, you know what I can do? I can favorite that shit and have it right there with my downloads folder for quick access too.

I don't notice any performance hit at all from running 7 compared to XP either. My desktop runs everything it ran in XP and Vista the same as it does in 7. Honestly the biggest complaint I've had with 7 is that it just doesn't like to run certain older games, but I can live with that.
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PostPosted: Jul 16 2011 06:51 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Windows 7 doesn't run literally half of my games.

And honestly, I don't mind Windows 7 now that I've been exposed to it for so long. But like Syd, all of my stuff is very organized. I can click Computer, go to my external hard drive and I'm there. I don't need some elaborate search shit. I can understand why it comes in handy though.


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PostPosted: Jul 16 2011 07:15 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Also, I don't want to my computer to be easily navigable for other people. If I let someone else use my computer, I don't want them finding my porn stash or fucking around with the SydLexia.com backup files, so shit like Favorite Folders is completely useless to me.
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PostPosted: Jul 17 2011 01:08 am Reply with quote Back to top

I think we could split this discussion.


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PostPosted: Jul 17 2011 03:39 am Reply with quote Back to top

GPFontaine wrote:
Explorer looking like that is a joke in today's modern computing age.

Windows 7 vs photos above:

1. No favorite folders on the left side. I'm sorry, but I use like 4 folders on a regular basis. I want fast access to those.
2. No library access. I don't keep everything inside the same folder because dumb ass programmers can't seem to keep their shit together and use the My Documents/My Pictures/My Music/etc folders correctly. So the libraries allow me to easily see my music pictures or videos together without needing to browse multiple folders.
3. I like a status bar at the bottom of the page that gives me details about what I am looking at. I want to see collective stats and information on files without right clicking.
4. The Address bar is not negotiable. I type my paths sometimes, and I like being able to click on a parent folder to navigate to it.
5. 90% of what I do in explorer is looking for something. No integrated search would mean that I would need to use a 3rd party product such as Google Desktop or Everything.
6. Network browsing barely worked in any OS up until Vista. I call bullshit on that icon even existing on the left side of the screen prior to 2005.
7. Photos are much easier to view in thumnails... don't see that in older Explorer
8. The preview panel is great when you are searching for something and want to quickly navigate through some text documents without opening them all up
9. File system tree view missing as a default was ridiculous, however it was possible to open in Win98. you had to open Explorer.exe not My Computer. It is by default enabled on Windows 7 starting with "Computer".
10. Colors and px matter. I prefer the larger icons 256x256px capable icons means that they are cleaner, clearer and more usable when resolutions are adjusted and different screens are applied. Old school 32px icons are fine for standard view, but they aren't useful in a dynamic environment.

Most people like old explorer because they are familiar with it and haven't learned the new one. Take some time to learn how to use the new one and you will find that it is infinitely better than it used to be, and for those comparing operating systems, it is about a billion times better than Finder. Seriously Apple, get your head out of your ass... pressing Enter on a file doesn't mean I want to rename it.

1: A favorites area that works like that favorites thingy on Windows 7 could fit on the 95 style explorer
2: So could this. Not that I really use Windows 7 libraries, except for HomeGroup networking, since HomeGroup only seems to be able to share libraries.
3: If I remember correctly, if you selected some files and hovered your mouse over them, a tooltip with details would pop up. The other method of seeing those details is only two extra clicks.
4: The treeview provided the ability to go back to the parent directory just fine. Although there could be a address bar, it would give that 'web browser' feel that made me dislike the 98-onwards Explorer.
5: There was a search utility which came with Windows 95, accessible from the start menu.
6: Have to agree with you there.
7: Again, this could be done in a Windows 95 style Explorer.
8: See point 7.
10: 256x256px icons are fine on high resolution displays, but on a lower (eg. 1024 x 768 or lower) resolution display, these can clutter up the screen very quickly. However, the option to have larger or smaller icons displayed could be implemented in a Windows 95 style Explorer.


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PostPosted: Jul 18 2011 01:23 am Reply with quote Back to top

Douche McCallister wrote:
Syd Lexia wrote:
The '81 Monte Carlo is what a car should look like. Cars today are all either boxy bullshit or curvy bullshit.

Eww, No. The Dodge Charger is what a car should look like..

i agree w/Douche.

as for the rest of the conversation, i think its pretty retarded in general


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GPFontaine
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PostPosted: Aug 01 2011 12:16 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
I need to fix this list up still. And I have to write. And I have to buy a new computer so I can do these things faster. And I have to motivate Haddox and Alexis Acid to update. I have to do a lot of things. Sad

So many things to do... it is easy to shut down and avoid doing all of them. But that is why you have friends and a community to pester you and nudge you towards doing things.

For example.

Here is what I see when I look at the front page of the website:

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Now, here is what my wife, sister, mother, grandparents, father, cousins, co-workers, mother-in-law, cats, dogs, lobsters, and other innocent bystanders see when they look at the front page of the website:

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Nudge... nudge.



 
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PostPosted: Aug 01 2011 08:45 pm Reply with quote Back to top

What if it was a screengrab of Hitlerbot from Wolfenstien?



 
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GPFontaine
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PostPosted: Aug 01 2011 08:46 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Blackout wrote:
What if it was a screengrab of Hitlerbot from Wolfenstien?

Wasn't that the original one? That was better.



 
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Blackout
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PostPosted: Aug 01 2011 08:57 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Well, just either load the forums by typing the url directly, it's not like there are tons of new articles you may miss by going directly to the forums, if there's a new one you'll see a thread about it pretty quickly. Also if you're afraid of people giving you the stink eye over your browsing be prepared to explain it to anyone who you fear is too judgmental to just ask about it and instead just form their own halfassed hairbrained opinion. Any reasonable person who was interested would ask, and understand your explanation.

I've had to creatively explain the hardcore donkey puncher signature Syd has (it's a new rom hack of Donkey Kong!) far more than I've had to explain the Hitler screen grab. Confused



 
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PostPosted: Aug 02 2011 08:35 am Reply with quote Back to top

GPFontaine wrote:
Blackout wrote:
What if it was a screengrab of Hitlerbot from Wolfenstien?

Wasn't that the original one? That was better.

I agree. It fit the tone of the site better.


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