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				http://beta.news.yahoo.com/court-calif-cant-ban-violent-video-game-sales-143011848.html
Short of the long of it; California's bill that bans the sale of Mature/violent video games to minor was struck down 7-2.
 
"No doubt a state possesses legitimate power to protect children from harm," said Justice Antonin Scalia, who wrote the majority opinion. "But that does not include a free-floating power to restrict the ideas to which children may be exposed."
				  
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				Well, it never took effect, as the case was being appealed, but it officially is shut down for good.
				 
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				This is a good thing and it is a big deal.  This will set the precedent for the rest of the country and will hopefully lay to rest the attack on video games through legal means.
				 
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				Well, it didn't take them long to compare games to pornography did it? Does anyone remember that game where you can bind, gag, torture and kill women-because I don't?
				 
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| Bob Dylan`s Blues wrote: | 
 
| Well, it didn't take them long to compare games to pornography did it? Does anyone remember that game where you can bind, gag, torture and kill women-because I don't? | 
 
 
It's probably in the top five on Newgrounds.
				  
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| Bob Dylan`s Blues wrote: | 
 
| Well, it didn't take them long to compare games to pornography did it? Does anyone remember that game where you can bind, gag, torture and kill women-because I don't? | 
 
 
No, saw that movie though--lots of 'em. Amazing that never occurred to me. There are so many movies out there with godawful, horrific images in them (Saw, Hostel, all that stuff) and they're only rated R--the functional equivalent of the ESRB "M." They're far, far worse than anything in 99.999% of games. And, they're marketed in the exact same movie theatre as the latest G-rated Disney movie. Oy. 
 
Was glad to see this outcome though. Never thought I'd be thanking Scalia, but there you go.
				  
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			Lady_Satine
		
		 
		
			
				
			 
			
				
			 
			
			
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				G4 did a bit of analysis on the types of games Alito and the other judges were referring to and they think the judges lumped ALL games in the same pile. Mentioning some of the games, it sounds like the Super Columbine RPG, v-Tech massacre (both indy games depicting the Columbine and Virginia Tech shootings) and Rapelay (a Japanese game/game genre) with things like GTA: San Andreas, Postal II, and others; hardly the same material as what's rated.
				 
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				Rapelay should just have it's own category, it should be rated W, for Wrong.
				 
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				they should have a C category for all the CRAP shovelware the Wii gets
				 
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| username wrote: | 
 
| they should have a C category for all the CRAP shovelware the Wii gets | 
 
 
Lump in the stuff on Xbox Live Indie Games and we've got a deal.
				  
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				Xbox Live Indie Games are disturbing at best and horrific at worst.
 
 
Has anyone else played Baby Maker?
				 
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				Speaking of games kids should never play, did anyone else have the continuous recurring thought I really hope no one bought this for their kid... while playing Duke Nukem Forever? You just know some dumbass did.
				 
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				Oh, hell yeah. The Hive was pretty disturbing.
				 
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				Games have ratings for a reason. Perhaps retailers should be forced to crackdown more on M-rated game sales. And that's a way the state can regulate. In MA, if you sell cigarettes to minor, you get heavily fined (and possibly get jail time or something, I forget). If you sell R-rated movie tickets to someone under 17, or NC-17 tickets to someone under 18, you get heavily fined. Why not do the same thing with video games. Make it so that retailers are REQUIRED to card everyone who buys an M-rated video game.
				 
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| Syd Lexia wrote: | 
 
| Games have ratings for a reason. Perhaps retailers should be forced to crackdown more on M-rated game sales. And that's a way the state can regulate. In MA, if you sell cigarettes to minor, you get heavily fined (and possibly get jail time or something, I forget). If you sell R-rated movie tickets to someone under 17, or NC-17 tickets to someone under 18, you get heavily fined. Why not do the same thing with video games. Make it so that retailers are REQUIRED to card everyone who buys an M-rated video game. | 
 
 
I could be wrong, but I thought this was already in effect?
 
I could have swore someone at GameStop told me they couldn't sell a M-Rated to a kid without a fine. Maybe that was a company policy.
				  
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				Kids under 18 can see R rated movies as long as they're with a parent and it's before 6 PM. At least thats what I thought.
				 
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				I have a friend whom is also the manager at a GameStop and he strictly enforces carding for M-rated games. One day some moderately famous rapper, I forget whom, shows up and wants to buy some game. My friend had never heard of him and got read the riot act by the guy (big surprise he didn't carry his id on him). After being told by several of his employees that the guy was legit, he greenlit the purchase.
				 
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				Well, the main issue with Mature video game sales is dumbass parents.  I'm sure that they can be easily manipulated into purchasing the game for them.  "No mom, it's only a little blood, pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaase, pleassssssssssssssse, COMEOOOOOOOOOOON"  "FINE, just stop whining!!!" 
 
 
Also, online sales, how can online sales be regulated?  An eleven year old can go buy a prepaid visa and order anything they want online.
				 
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				i cant wait til they stop kids playing with toy guns. or pretending to be cowboys & indians. or cops & robbers.
				 
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| i cant wait til they stop kids playing with toy guns. or pretending to be cowboys & indians. or cops & robbers. | 
 
 
I've heard of case where kids where expelled for that due to   threatening violent gestures and such and such, but then again I may have heard it in a Michael Chill Dog Moore documentary so it may be bullshit, whatever.
 
The enforcement of carding customers via heavy fines for violations Syd mentioned  is a good idea in theory, but without vigorous counter intelligence operations ( so to speak) to  catch people breaking the rule and not carding it's tough to impose. I started smoking cigars and pipes when I was 15 / 16, I had pretty substantial facial hair at the time and was literally  never ID checked by multiple stores in my area, I'm still hardly ever carded anywhere despite the local posted advertisement of the rule  under 50, if so we're carding or however it's worded because I look like the fucking guy from the Big Brawn Feminine Napkins commercial. So no matter how tough the punishment it wont be caught unless their are people / organizations trolling for said undesirable behavior. That costs money, money no one seems to have right now.  Unless you want to save money by farming shit out, let's talk about that scenario! 
   
Maybe some sort of verification system where they scan your ID before the transaction is approved... but in order for that to work you have to set up a database or link in to an existing one like the DMV or whatever, hire and train and vet and security clearance OK them and then train them again  and  pay these fuckers a legal wage to staff the inner workings of it ( let's call it the operation) without a lot of direct oversite because in my experience business entities that require direct oversite tend to get mad about cost and cut you off, if they're going to pay you to do it for them you cannot ask them for help or guidance too much or they will cut your funding despite the deficiency  of initial information / training you were given to work with so whoever these phatom people are they'd BETTER NOT FUCK IT UP EVER OR IT'S OVER.
 
 Then you're going to have to  roll out a big warning advertisement campaign about it so everyone doesn't get their panties in a twist about it popping up out of nowhere ( MONEY MOTHERFUCKER DO YOU SPEAK IT?!). The secure websites that handle the verification of sensitive citizen/consumer info between point of sales terminals and said database is going to be a  pricey bit of tech and farmed out to the lowest bidder which naturally leads to  cutting costs but potentially increasing customer/consumer risk of identity theft due to data transfer that in all likelihood  will be across multiple state lines and also poorly staffed ( talking quality employees here, not staffing for expected volume although that will be a whole different can of worms not really covered in this explanation ) in order to save money, lest this supposed program leech severely needed / not even available money from said State's already swollen budget.... shit it would be an even bigger clusterfuck if the fucking program was across ALL states. 
 
In closing such a system of checks and balances is potential but will cost ya if you want it to work correctly... * makes it'll cost ya gesture with hand while looking away from podium distastefully*
				  
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				I've been carded when buying M-rated games, and I'm 30.     So I guess there is some enforcement out there.
				 
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| Maybe some sort of verification system where they scan your ID before the transaction is approved... but in order for that to work you have to set up a database or link in to an existing one like the DMV or whatever, hire and train and vet and security clearance OK them and then train them again and pay these fuckers a legal wage to staff the inner workings of it (let's call it the operation) without a lot of direct oversite because in my experience business entities that require direct oversite tend to get mad about cost and cut you off, if they're going to pay you to do it for them you cannot ask them for help or guidance too much or they will cut your funding despite the deficiency of initial information / training you were given to work with so whoever these phatom people are they'd BETTER NOT FUCK IT UP EVER OR IT'S OVER. | 
 
 
1. Longest sentence ever
 
2. You could easily set up a check/balance where M rated games require a drivers license number.  Don't scan it or manually key it in, then no dice.  "Problem" solved.
				  
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| Maybe some sort of verification system where they scan your ID before the transaction is approved... but in order for that to work you have to set up a database or link in to an existing one like the DMV or whatever, hire and train and vet and security clearance OK them and then train them again and pay these fuckers a legal wage to staff the inner workings of it (let's call it the operation) without a lot of direct oversite because in my experience business entities that require direct oversite tend to get mad about cost and cut you off, if they're going to pay you to do it for them you cannot ask them for help or guidance too much or they will cut your funding despite the deficiency of initial information / training you were given to work with so whoever these phatom people are they'd BETTER NOT FUCK IT UP EVER OR IT'S OVER. | 
 
 
 
1. Longest sentence ever
 
2. You could easily set up a check/balance where M rated games require a drivers license number.  Don't scan it or manually key it in, then no dice.  "Problem" solved. | 
 
 
Sorry I was tanked, like really tanked. I think I edited that like seven times.
				  
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