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Spinning Bullet on Ice: Real or Fake?


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AtmanRyu
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PostPosted: Oct 14 2010 11:18 pm Reply with quote Back to top



Is the Incredible Spinning Bullet on Ice Real?

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Some people say that this is impossible. How can a .40 caliber bullet stop on the ice like that, losing all its forward momentum and still keep spinning? I don't know the what the physics are, but the video is pretty clear and I don't see any way of faking that, which is probably why Mythbusters is going to put it to the test. Like one of the commenters in the Discovery forums said:

either they did many many hours planning and editing and Photoshop work, or they have access to very powerful special effects editing software with good knowledge on how to use it, and still spent hours working on it. Or they just found an interesting seemingly impossible thing that bullets do in ice and filmed it. If they got paid to put all the work into making this a fake then that would be another story, but since it has nothing to do with any viral add they didn't get paid, putting in the work it would have taken to fake it would be a little nuts…

That's why other people are saying that this is possible, and would fall be one of the many crazy things that a bullet can do. You know, magic bullets. Like the one that killed Kennedy.

One thing for certain: I would love to see Mythbusters' take on this. And maybe make the bullet explode somehow.
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Thunderhorse
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PostPosted: Oct 15 2010 03:31 am Reply with quote Back to top

I say fake. The bullet wasn't wobbling at all when it was spinning, which means that's either some super smooth ground or its fake.


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Pandajuice
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PostPosted: Oct 15 2010 05:52 am Reply with quote Back to top

There are a number of things I found to be odd from the video. First, are we to assume the bullet was fired from a gun? If so, wouldn't it break apart upon contacting the hard surface of the ice as bullets are designed to do? How could it just stop and spin upright in place without ricochet or anything like that?

Second, it spins for a fucking long time without seeming to lose any momentum, which is very strange. It even seems to speed up sometimes as it spins. Anyone who has ever played with a spinning top knows that it gradually slows down and loses RPMs over time, which didn't happen here. Third, what's with the noise it's making? I don't think that's natural and seems edited in afterward.

What I think we're seeing is a bullet that was taken out of its cartridge, placed on the ice, then spun with some sort of electromagnet, which also may explain the weird noise and why we never hear a gunshot or see the bullet fired from a gun. It also explains how there isn't any kind of deformation of the bullet which is impossible to achieve if it's fired. It's just some dorks attempt at getting a lot of Youtube views via viral video.
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GPFontaine
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PostPosted: Oct 15 2010 08:27 am Reply with quote Back to top

I also think that a magnet was used to make this illusion.

* A bullet spinning that fast without losing its momentum would make enough friction to melt the ice... right?
* A bullet on rough ice would dance around and have a hard time remaining stable. Not because of the bullets motion, but rather because of the imperfections in the ice.



 
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Atma
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PostPosted: Oct 15 2010 10:50 am Reply with quote Back to top

GPFontaine wrote:
* A bullet spinning that fast without losing its momentum would make enough friction to melt the ice... right?

My first thought as well. It spinning like crazy would creat friction, and thus melt the ice.

Not to mention, when you fire a bullet. The bullets are HOT. The Heat from a fired bullet would melt the ice as well. Also, theres no black or powder marks on the back of the bullet when the gun powder would ignite.

I have no doubt that a gun wasn't used for this.
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AtmanRyu
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PostPosted: Oct 15 2010 02:53 pm Reply with quote Back to top

While the YouTube video does look manipulated, the video in the article seems more plausible as it does look like it's melting the surrounding ice and it's losing momentum as it goes; however, for all we know it's a set up as well.
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Blackout
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PostPosted: Oct 16 2010 02:55 am Reply with quote Back to top

Huh, weird.



 
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Klimbatize
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PostPosted: Oct 18 2010 04:06 am Reply with quote Back to top

The bullet doesn't exist. We're inside someone's dream, and that's their totem.


Pretty much the greatest thread of all time: http://www.sydlexia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14789

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Atma
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PostPosted: Oct 18 2010 12:52 pm Reply with quote Back to top

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Drew Linky
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PostPosted: Oct 18 2010 05:50 pm Reply with quote Back to top

My Dad saw this too. (He's a physics major)

He says... "When a bullet is 'rifled', it does spin, and if it hit the ice the right way, the inertia could possibly force the ice down into a divet where it would smooth out. As for friction, ice has a very very low coefficient of friction, so heat buildup wouldn't be a big problem Unless the bullet was rougher and touched more of the ice at once."

tl;dr: Ice is smooth, bullets are small. If it's real and the bullet is spinning on it's nose, that's a tiny bit of surface area it's touching, friction won't be a problem. Inertia could make a smooth bowl in the ice.

I won't decide for now.


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Klimbatize
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PostPosted: Oct 18 2010 06:10 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Heh, I dig how your tl;dr summary is only like 15 words shorter than what you're summarizing.


Pretty much the greatest thread of all time: http://www.sydlexia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14789

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Pandajuice
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PostPosted: Oct 19 2010 06:09 am Reply with quote Back to top

Drew Linky wrote:
My Dad saw this too. (He's a physics major)

He says... "When a bullet is 'rifled', it does spin, and if it hit the ice the right way, the inertia could possibly force the ice down into a divet where it would smooth out. As for friction, ice has a very very low coefficient of friction, so heat buildup wouldn't be a big problem Unless the bullet was rougher and touched more of the ice at once."

tl;dr: Ice is smooth, bullets are small. If it's real and the bullet is spinning on it's nose, that's a tiny bit of surface area it's touching, friction won't be a problem. Inertia could make a smooth bowl in the ice.

I won't decide for now.


That's all well and good, but it doesn't address the ballistics part of the question where any bullet fired toward ice will either (1) punch a hole right through if the ice is thin, or (2) the bullet will break apart and/or deform considerably (as bullets are designed to do when they encounter resistence, such as a human body) if the ice is thick enough to stop it.

There's just no way a bullet fired from a gun could magically just stop on its nose and spin. Where has all the forward ballistic energy gone?
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Doddsino
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PostPosted: Oct 20 2010 04:31 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Send it to Mythbusters...

I'll say fake...I can't prove otherwise, but it just doesn't seem to real, especially with the second bullet.
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PostPosted: Oct 20 2010 05:19 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I can't see how lead, which should be insanely hot after just being fired, can sit there in an ice bank and spin without visibly affecting the ice. I dunno. Weird.

Still fun though.


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Natsu
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PostPosted: Oct 20 2010 06:56 pm Reply with quote Back to top

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There's just no way a bullet fired from a gun could magically just stop on its nose and spin. Where has all the forward ballistic energy gone?

To play devil's advocate, because this seems fishy to me too, and i'm leaning fake. What if they shot it at something and it bounces off and a lot of the energy was absorbed is not in the downward direction but mostly parallel to the ice.
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Pandajuice
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PostPosted: Oct 21 2010 06:13 am Reply with quote Back to top

The bullet would be deformed then if it hit something else first. Bullets are designed to either break apart into a million pieces or flatten and spread out as much as possible after striking their target. If a bullet stayed whole and unchanged when you shot someone with it, it would pass right through the person and not do very much damage. It's all the metal shards and jagged spinning slug that tears up a body and does all the internal damage.
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Miguelius
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PostPosted: Oct 21 2010 10:39 am Reply with quote Back to top

This has to be a fake. It was not fired, or it would have been filmed from the start. It's not stop motion, nor it's a camera effect. I don't know how it was made, actually, we don't even know what is doing. It's just spinning. I watched it twice and I'm puzzled =S
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Atma
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PostPosted: Oct 27 2010 11:53 am Reply with quote Back to top

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