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Syd Lexia
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It wasn't quite as good as the BSG finale, but yeah, the payoff was worth the time investment.
Oddly enough, I didn't start watching the show until the end of Season 2.
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I thought the episode was excellent. Some people seem to be upset that we didn't get more answers to some of the mysteries. I suppose I can understand that. But while watching the episode, because it was emotional and character driven, I never once pondered any of these unanswered mysteries.
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Syd Lexia
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I liked that three of my all-time favorite characters survived, including one they teased being dead a few weeks ago, and one they teased being dead as recently as halfway through the finale.
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Alowishus
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I remember when Lost came out i watched Season 1 and i think all of Season 2. By the time Season 3 had started i thought fuck that. It just got to weird and stupid of course to be expected since it's madem by Abrams who i loathe.
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Season 3 is by far my favorite season. I think the quality of the show went down when they started getting into that "Oceanic Six" stuff but it was still an amazing show compared to other garbage on t.v.
I liked the finale, had to sit and think about it to appreciate it at first. I get the point that some of them died off the island and the limbo/sideways time was beyond time and it was a place they all had to meet at so they could let go and move on. I just hate not knowing the things they left hanging, like what happened to the people who made it off on the plane (Lapidus, Richard, Sawyer, Claire, Miles, Kate), and what happened to the people on the Island, (Hurley, Ben, Desmond, Rose, Bernard, Vincent).
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Klimbatize
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Syd Lexia wrote: |
I liked that three of my all-time favorite characters survived, including one they teased being dead a few weeks ago, and one they teased being dead as recently as halfway through the finale. |
Jeff Fahey, FTW.
I've never missed an episode. I've watched the show since the very first episode because one of the hobbits was in it, but I had no idea what I was getting myself into. That made the show so much better for me because I didn't expect it to develop such a mythology.
I liked the final episode and this final season as a whole. I think they answered all the big questions. Well, once you bring things like time travel and supernatural bullshit into the mix, I guess anything can be explained.
I think the island itself was originally intended to represent Purgatory. A crash like that would leave no survivors. It was going to be a show about a bunch of flawed people having to make amends for their past sins. However, by the end of the first season that was the consensus theory among fans, so I'm sure the writers felt they needed to mix it up and not be so obvious. So they added a layer (or 10) of mystery. Eventually they went back to their original idea of Purgatory by having these flash sideways.
Overall, loved the show and look forward to rewatching the whole series from the beginning this summer to see what little things I missed and figure out just how many mysteries I had forgotten.
I am still a little bummed that we didn't get a Journey song abruptly squashed in the last scene.
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scamrock
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I keep reading stuff all over the internet where people are upset that the finale didn't solve more mysteries. I can understand the frustration. But it was the finale. I think people forgot what the show was about. It was about the characters. It was always about the characters. They mysteries were just what was happening on the island. It was secondary. I seen where several people complained that we didn't get to learn about the ancient Egyptions who once inhabited the island, you know the ones who we never even met. Would those people actually be happier if the finale answered their questions rather than giving closure to the characters? Maybe they could have tried to answer more questions in prior episodes. But it was the finale. They weren't going to make another season just to answer these "questions" and they weren't going to waste the finale by not giving the characters closure.
I know there are probably some things that don't make sense. But for the most part, I think we can take what we know, read through the lines, and make reasonable conclusions for a lot of the mysteries.
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Syd Lexia
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I just hate not knowing the things they left hanging, like what happened to the people who made it off on the plane (Lapidus, Richard, Sawyer, Claire, Miles, Kate), and what happened to the people on the Island, (Hurley, Ben, Desmond, Rose, Bernard, Vincent). |
Desmond was going to leave the island too. Jack told him to go home to his wife and son, and Ben and Hurley talked about helping him get home.
Rose, Benard, and Vincent probably eventually died of old age. Since Hurley made Ben his Richard, he probably made him unable to die from suicide or natural causes. So Hurley and Ben were probably eventually killed by people who wanted the Island for themselves, possibly disciples of Widmore. We'll never know how Ben and Hurley died though. It's probably an interesting story.
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Klimbatize
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^We'll learn more from the eventual LOST feature film!
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This is what Carlton Cuse said about a potential movie.
"The chances are very little. We don’t have any intentions of doing that. This is the story we wanted to tell and it ends next Sunday night, and we were incredibly grateful that we got a chance to do it."
I think they have done everything they can with the current cast. I think a movie without all of the main characters would be a letdown.
But I think Lost has created enough of a fanbase, in my opinion, to warrant and expanded universe like they have done with Star Wars. I would like to see some Lost books and comics and whatnot. We could learn about Sawyer, Kate, and company after the island. We could learn about Hurley and Ben and new castaways. We could learn about earlier inhabinants. There are a ton of possibilities.
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I really want to write a long response to the finale, and I probably will at some point, but I just have one question to chew over for the time being...
What do you think made some of the castaways "ready" to move on while others weren't?
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Syd Lexia
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Wasn't Ben the only one who wasn't ready to move on? And wasn't it because he wanted to spend more time with Alex, as that was his biggest regret in life?
Or are you referring to secondary characters like Daniel, Charlotte, and Miles who didn't move on as well? I would have thought that Miles and Frank would have been part of the church group... Miles and Sawyer became pretty good friends, and Frank was instrumental in both escapes from the Island.
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Klimbatize
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Ben probably had to stick around in Purgatory for longer since he had done a lot of shitty things in his life like, you know, murdering people.
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Kubo
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Syd Lexia wrote: |
Wasn't Ben the only one who wasn't ready to move on? And wasn't it because he wanted to spend more time with Alex, as that was his biggest regret in life?
Or are you referring to secondary characters like Daniel, Charlotte, and Miles who didn't move on as well? I would have thought that Miles and Frank would have been part of the church group... Miles and Sawyer became pretty good friends, and Frank was instrumental in both escapes from the Island. |
I was actually thinking of Ana Lucia. When she drops off Desmond, Kate, and Sayid and Hurley pulls up with $125,000 in bribe money, Hurley asks Des "Is she coming with us?" And Desmond says "No, she's not ready."
I just can't figure out if there is a constant that distinguishes who was ready and who wasn't...
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 Thou, because I am wroth, be not dismayed, for I shall win the strife, whoever circle round within for the defence. This their insolence is not new, for of old they used it at a less secret gate, which still is found without a bolt. Above it thou didst see the dead inscription; and already on this side of it
descends the steep, passing without escort through the circles,
One such that by him the city shall be opened to us. |
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Syd Lexia
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Ben probably had to stick around in Purgatory for longer since he had done a lot of shitty things in his life like, you know, murdering people. |
Aside from when he let the freighter blow up, and when he killed Locke, Ben rarely did anything that was actually evil. Ben's biggest crime was his failure to be honest with the Losties from the beginning about what was going on. A lot of violence could have been avoided if there had been better communication. In fact, the vast major of deaths on the show occur as a result of poor communication, lies, or failure to follow directions. And killing Locke, though he admitted it was due to jealously, was arguably still pragmatic, as Locke had been convinced that he needed to die to save the Island.
As for Ana Lucia, she sucked. I was so happy when she died. She doesn't deserve to move on.
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Klimbatize
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Well murder is still a LOT worse than what anyone else did. I'm sure that buys you a few more years of Purgatory.
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Syd Lexia
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Well, Ben said he wasn't ready. As though it was his choice. And its implied that he redeemed himself in his time working for Hurley.
Desmond made him flash, so Desmond clearly thought he was ready.
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scamrock
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Syd Lexia wrote: |
Klimbatize wrote: |
Ben probably had to stick around in Purgatory for longer since he had done a lot of shitty things in his life like, you know, murdering people. |
Aside from when he let the freighter blow up, and when he killed Locke, Ben rarely did anything that was actually evil. Ben's biggest crime was his failure to be honest with the Losties from the beginning about what was going on. A lot of violence could have been avoided if there had been better communication. In fact, the vast major of deaths on the show occur as a result of poor communication, lies, or failure to follow directions. And killing Locke, though he admitted it was due to jealously, was arguably still pragmatic, as Locke had been convinced that he needed to die to save the Island.
As for Ana Lucia, she sucked. I was so happy when she died. She doesn't deserve to move on. |
Did you watch Jimmy Kimmel? He thanked Michael for shooting Ana Lucia.
I think Ben just wanted to spend more time with Alex. He probably wanted to move on with her once she realized she was dead.
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Syd Lexia wrote: |
I liked that three of my all-time favorite characters survived, including one they teased being dead a few weeks ago, and one they teased being dead as recently as halfway through the finale. |
I take it you're referring to Frank? I was really happy to see him alive as well.
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I just hate not knowing the things they left hanging, like what happened to the people who made it off on the plane (Lapidus, Richard, Sawyer, Claire, Miles, Kate)... |
This was the only unanswered question that really bothered me, although I guess they just continued their lives.
I'm still kind of confused about the island itself though...when Desmond unplugged the well, lava filled up the hole...is the island a gateway between earth and hell or something?
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Syd Lexia
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Was there actually lava? I thought there was at first, but being as neither Desmond nor Jack was burned to death, I guess there wasn't?
Yes, I was referring to Frank, as well as Desmond and Ben.
The only thing that happened in the final season that really made me unhappy was Jin and Sun dying. I understand that they needed to give the remaining survivors a reason to really want to kill Smokey, but couldn't they have accomplished that by killing off, I don't know, Sawyer? I like Sawyer, but it seems like he had no real reason to survive.
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Syd Lexia wrote: |
Was there actually lava? I thought there was at first, but being as neither Desmond nor Jack was burned to death, I guess there wasn't? |
There was some kind of glowing orange-red substance, but I thought Jack put the plug in before any of it got out.
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...but couldn't they have accomplished that by killing off, I don't know, Sawyer? I like Sawyer, but it seems like he had no real reason to survive. |
I think they kept him alive so he could continue to do things like refer to Frank as "chesty" and "the guy who looks like he came out of a Burt Reynolds movie".
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The things that I really want to know are... WHY THE HELL THERE ARE EGYPTIAN THINGS ON THE ISLAND!? That's the only thing that bugged me... Otherwise I thought it was a finely crafted epic.
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You know, I never watched the show past the second season like I said, but I did keep up with what was going on. If I had been really invested in the show, the finale would have pissed me off to no end. I understand needing closure for the characters and they did a great job on that. But c'mon: were any of us REALLY watching the show for the characters, or did we want to know what the Island was, what sort of history it had, and who had gone before? (Not to mention what the source of its power was, and what, exactly, Dharma's interest in it was.)
Apparently that didn't bug anyone but me though? Is that just because they really DID make the focus on the characters after I left? It seems like it ended less like an awesome sci-fi/mystery show should, and more like a soap opera would. I dunno.
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Syd Lexia
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The show was about characters. The mythos was never meant to be fully explained.
And some of the questions in that video were answered.
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