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Posted: Feb 01 2007 03:12 pm

I'm not going to defend Moore on here... wait, yes I am. Moore was actually once an awesome person. I was a big fan of his until 9/11. Then he got kind of wacko. But up to then he gave us: TV Nation, The Awful Truth, Roger and Me, The Big One, Adventures in a TV Nation, and Downsize This.

What made him wonderful was that his satire was actually funny without being overtly hurtful. He was also less focused and would satirize a variety of subjects. That was when Moore was at his best. Everyone who likes The Daily Show really has Moore to thank.

It saddens me to know that people will never get to see the early days of Moore outside of maybe "Roger and Me". "TV Nation" was one of the smartest shows I've ever watched. I think he'd have more fans if he hadn't alienated them with his later books and films. *sigh* Oh well.

Oh. And "Canadian Bacon" was awesome. Cool

Posted: Feb 01 2007 03:17 pm

I did enjoy Canadian Bacon. It was funny without being vicious, and it was damn clever.

My parents watched TV Nation when it was on, and I remember it being fairly entertaining. The only segment from it that I really recall involved him starting off with him marching around with a sign that said "KEEP BIG BUSINESS OUT OF FLINT, MICHIGAN" and it eventually ended with him marching around with a sign that read "KEEP BIG BUSINESS OUT OF EVERYWHERE EXCEPT FLINT, MICHIGAN".

Posted: Feb 01 2007 04:37 pm

Tebor, you forgot to aid "Bowling For Columbine", which I thought was a well thought out, and un-biased documentry that didn't blame blame on the stupid shit that everyone esle was trying to blame the tragedy on.

Posted: Feb 01 2007 04:42 pm

Knyte wrote:

Tebor, you forgot to aid "Bowling For Columbine", which I thought was a well thought out, and un-biased documentry that didn't blame blame on the stupid shit that everyone esle was trying to blame the tragedy on.

I forgot that and "Stupid White Men" which is a pretty cool book and written before 9/11.

I left those two off, because people associate them with new-Moore. I am also a fan of "Bowling" as it's very well made, but it's almost too much like "The Awful Truth: The Movie". "Corperate Cops" was even a segment on his show. Most of the people I know who saw the film never even heard of Moore before, so they didn't know about his sense of humor nor style of filmmaking. If we remove Moore's personality from the film, it does pose several good questions even if it doesn't have the answers.

Posted: Feb 01 2007 05:04 pm

Bowling For Columbine was stupid, misleading, and poorly argued. A lot of the stuff will Charlton Heston was shown out of sequence, namely a lot of the NRA events he showed happened before Columbine. Also during the segment where he interviews Heston, notice the way the camera cuts back and forth between Moore and Heston, in much the way that the Daily Show does in order to muck with interviews. And while that in and of itself doesn't prove that Moore reedited the Heston interview, there is proof that he did. There is a clock on the wall behind Heston and if you pay careful attention to it, you can see it jump back and forth at least once.

Another big problem was Moore's rather dubious decision to throw a bunch of 9/11 crap into the film that had absolutely nothing to do with his thesis.

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I thought that movie came out before 9/11

oh well, at the end of the day, moore is still a fat retard.

oh man, I really enjoy throwing that word around so liberally.

Posted: Feb 02 2007 05:21 pm

Castro, not that bad. Not that good either. Basically, he got a hand to play with, and made do. When your entire country is a very politically unstable island with trade embargoes, your not gonna be able to run your government like the rest of the world does. Its a "let them eat cake" situation.

Posted: Feb 02 2007 05:32 pm

JEW wrote:

I thought that movie came out before 9/11.

Nope, it came out in 2002.