Bosko demands to be part of the championship circle
Also for the heck of it...I'll post my favorite Tunes episode. Coincidently, the ONLY one that has Porky, Daffy and Bugs in it.
A Pig's Feat
SoldierHawk
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Jan 01 2010 05:46 am
I'd post mine too, but I've pretty much already done it in all the other threads LT was a part of .
Glad to see the best toon won, even if the exact "ranking" as it were wasn't what I had hoped.
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Doddsino
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Posted:
Jan 01 2010 06:12 am
I will say this...I don't buy many DVDs anymore, but I would LOVE it if they released all the Looney Tunes/Merrie Melodies episodes...which is around 1,000 shorts I believe. From 1929-1969...I highly doubt it would ever happen though since I'm sure there's objection as to who owns what, racism and lost films.
Syd Lexia
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Jan 01 2010 08:52 am
They have been releasing them in volumes as the Looney Tunes Golden Collection. The only ones that will probably never see release are the Banned Eleven. They have released some of the ones with racist jokes, unedited, with disclaimers explaining that they are a product of their time.
That's a lot cooler than what Disney has done, tell me WHY the Donald Duck box set contains an intro by Leonard Maltin where you clearly see black and white Donald footage, but starts with the "First Episode" being in fucking color!
AtmanRyu
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Posted:
Jan 01 2010 01:14 pm
Syd Lexia wrote:
They have been releasing them in volumes as the Looney Tunes Golden Collection. The only ones that will probably never see release are the Banned Eleven. They have released some of the ones with racist jokes, unedited, with disclaimers explaining that they are a product of their time.
I was about to ask what were these Banned Eleven, but for a change I did the smart thing and googled it and looked around on Youtube.
One word:
WOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWW...
Ok, can't blame them for banning those; seriously, Looney Tunes does have its racist moments, but those are actually rather tamed compared to those eleven. Hell, I never thought I'd hear the word "nigger" in a Looney Tunes cartoon.
I did the same thing as AtmanRyu and....wow. Of the 11 banned episodes, 10 are Merrie Melodies cartoons and only one is a Loony Tunes episode, but check out this brief synopsis of the Loony Tunes one. This sums it up perfectly.
Quote:
A young African-American boy (drawn in blackface style) carries a sack to a river and laments that he has agreed to drown a cat. While the boy stares at the water, the cat slips out of the sack and fills it with bricks. When the boy says that he can't go through with the task, the hidden cat, pretending to be the boy's conscience, says, "Go ahead, Sambo, go ahead, boy," and reminds him that he has been paid "four bits" to do the job. Sambo reluctantly drops the bag in the river rather than return the money.
The cat then disguises itself as its own ghost, painting itself white and donning wings and a halo, and proceeds to "haunt" Sambo by repeatedly sneaking up on him and whispering "boo." Sambo runs away, but the cat rattles a pair of dice, causing Sambo to fall into a trance and sleepwalk back to the cat.
The hauntings continue until Sambo and the cat fall in a pond, washing off the cat's paint. When Sambo realizes that he has been tricked, he kills the cat with a shotgun blast. Immediately afterward, a line of nine ghost cats (representing a cat's nine lives) marches toward Sambo, saying, "And this time, brother, us ain't kiddin'."
pineapple
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Jan 01 2010 02:17 pm
Geeze, that's pretty scary Sexton. I got chills while reading it.
AtmanRyu
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Jan 01 2010 02:59 pm
pineapple wrote:
Geeze, that's pretty scary Sexton. I got chills while reading it.
It's not THAT scary, but it's still pretty offensive:
They made his lips so incredibly stereotypical and offensive he looks like a black Donald Duck during the side views of him when he is walking at the beginning.
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Jan 01 2010 03:50 pm
I always thought blackface looked incredibly stupid.
Captain_Pollution
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Jan 01 2010 04:44 pm
Just tossing a quick thing out there, Clampett was chill. Like, sure, if you just watch Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarves or Tin Pan Alley Cats, it looks bad, but remember, the guy was friends with lots of jazz players at the time, and he was caricaturing them in there. All of the guys you see in those cartoons were caricatures of his friends, and they were all fine with it. Plus, Coal Black is an amazing cartoon in its own right.
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Jan 01 2010 04:53 pm
Cartoons thrive on racial hyperbole. Look at the crows in "Dumbo." While we're at it, look at ANY cartoon crow. Whitey just isn't unique enough to satirize, unless they're homosexual (i.e. the Looney Tune Gophers, Mac and Tosh).
P.S. FRITZ THE CAT
Captain_Pollution
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Jan 01 2010 05:02 pm
You make it sound like racism is an integral part of cartoon humour, it isn't. Cartoons make jokes, and at the time, racist jokes were widely acceptable, so they utilized them. Now they aren't, so we shouldn't embrace them.
And whites certainly can be made fun of, how sheltered are you? The reason they weren't back then is the same reason back then they made all those racist jokes: the target auidence is white. That's not even to say that some white people couldn't have appreciated the humour at the time, but that isn't how you target a demographic. Also, the fact that everyone working at the studios was white didn't help much.
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AtmanRyu
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Jan 01 2010 05:09 pm
Milhouse wrote:
P.S. FRITZ THE CAT
Many people (including R. Crumb himself) ignore this movie altogether, not because it was offensive, but because it was plain bad.
Cartoons, good cartoons, contain many levels of humor. What a child sees and what an adult sees might be very different. So, don't tell me the adult cartoon viewer doesn't appreciate a certain type of taboo humor. Family Guy is racist, but pretends it's not because they are trying to be ironical.
How sheltered am I? Tell me a white joke.
Captain_Pollution
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Jan 01 2010 05:50 pm
Your first paragraph is attacking a point no one made. Racist jokes aren't cool, nowadays. And to say that they are, and use a programme that's frequently attacked and fairly controversial as an example is retarded. Also, even if it weren't, it's not a good example. What Family Guy's done is nothing at all compared to having blackface stereotypes dancing around shouting ebonics like they used to. And when they did it then, no one raised an eyebrow.
Your second point... I don't believe you're that retarded. Go troll somewhere else.
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Milhouse
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Jan 01 2010 06:32 pm
How is Family Guy not a good example? Wasn't Family Guy part of this poll???
I'm not a troll; I'm not attacking you or your opinions...we're having a discussion.
But, your verve for human equality is clearly evident by calling me retarded (twice). Regardless, I'm trying to make a point that racism in cartoons is still prevalent in modern cartoons like Family Guy and South Park. Perhaps Looney Tunes used racial caricatures because it was a norm in the 1920s and 1930s, but I propose that Family Guy and South Park are even more in the wrong because it's simply for shock value; society knows better now.
Pandajuice
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Jan 01 2010 07:04 pm
I agree with Milhouse here that racial humor can still have a place in society if sensitive white people and Jesse Jackson stopped being so fucking uptight about it. Obviously some stuff is taboo and frowned upon like blackface that is meant to be offensive, but why is making fun of black people off limits, but ripping on white rednecks totally fine? There's so much reverse racism going on in our society these days that it's getting pretty stupid. And yes, when you say "no jokes centering around race, ever (unless it's about caucasians)" is reverse racism.
Can't we all just fucking lighten up and laugh at each other?
Captain_Pollution
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Jan 01 2010 08:40 pm
I never said anything about how things should be, and as for reverse racism, Milhouse seems quite sure that satirizing and mocking white people is impossible, so obviously that isn't happening.
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Doddsino
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Posted:
Jan 01 2010 10:18 pm
Captain_Pollution wrote:
Go troll somewhere else.
How was Millhouse in any way trolling?
Captain_Pollution
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Posted:
Jan 01 2010 10:23 pm
Read the first part of the line you quoted.
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Doddsino
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Posted:
Jan 01 2010 10:45 pm
I did...and in no way did he seem out of line or trollish.
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