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Best Cartoon Ever! - Round 1 Group 13 (closed)


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Poll :: Wow, this is going by quick.

Voltron
25%
 25%  [ 10 ]
Rugrats
30%
 30%  [ 12 ]
Inspector Gadget
17%
 17%  [ 7 ]
The Fairly Oddparents
25%
 25%  [ 10 ]
Total Votes : 39


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PostPosted: Dec 02 2009 04:26 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Pandajuice wrote:
UsaSatsui wrote:

That doesn't mean a vote not based on nostalgia is flawed.


I never said it was. I was just defending any votes based on nostalgia.

Right on and I am just defending my votes based on quality.


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PostPosted: Dec 02 2009 04:51 pm Reply with quote Back to top

The Generation gap is gonna cause a call for a recount....


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PostPosted: Dec 02 2009 07:23 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Voted for Voltron, I always enjoyed the show, while I loved the first season Rugrats stuff the rest was just blargh. The Oddparents was always a quirky show, but I never felt it to be among my favorites, I'd watch it if nothing else was on, but that's it. Deep down, I'm kinda dissapointed that Inspector Gadget has such a low amount of votes, but then again going back it was kinda aggravating seeing an idiot get all the credit for all the work a little girl and a dog did.


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PostPosted: Dec 02 2009 10:52 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I wouldn't consider it a contender, and it doesn't bother me that it isn't advancing...but I fucking loved Inspector Gadget.
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PostPosted: Dec 02 2009 11:10 pm Reply with quote Back to top

UsaSatsui wrote:
Black Zarak wrote:
GPFontaine wrote:
scamrock wrote:
Voltron. Why is it in third place? Get with the fucking program people!

The Fairly Oddparents? What is this?

I have come to the conclusion that the majority of people playing this game were born after 1985. Otherwise these last few would have been landslides.

If you grew up in the early 80's then you would remember people getting the toys, watching the show, and being incredibly excited when you got the final piece so that you could join them all together. Or in my case, I got two pieces and my friend got 3. Parents didn't always understand that it was kinda a big deal to get 5.


Or we could just not make judgments based on nostalgia from our youth which is often horribly skewed by this point and actually weigh these shows by their merits. I mean, I loved G.I. Joe and Transformers and Voltron and all those when I was a kid too, but looking at them now they're cheesy, full of animation and plot errors, and often outright silly. I'm not defending Fairly Oddparents here, I friggin' hate that show, but yes I think Rugrats was a better show than Voltron.


I was going to say that (except the part about FoP, personal favorite). Just because a show is old doesn't mean it's better than one that's new.


Yeah, I was under the impression this was voting for the best cartoon ever, not "The cartoon we remember most fondly from our youth." I was making my votes based more on plot, humor, entertainment, animation, etc and not so much how often I ran around my house as a kid making engine noises because I was Optimus Prime. If you want to do "Best nostalgia cartoon ever" poll, fine. But seeing as how we have choices like Birdman, Family Guy, Simpsons, etc I thought this was more of a weigh it by it's merits as a show not by how many fond, blurry memories we have of it.


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PostPosted: Dec 02 2009 11:32 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Meh, use whatever criteria you want as "Best". It's not like I'm sending this to TV Guide or something.

Now, see, ties for first I can handle. Unless it becomes a three way tie. Please don't make it a three way tie.
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PostPosted: Dec 03 2009 12:19 am Reply with quote Back to top

Black Zarak wrote:
UsaSatsui wrote:
Black Zarak wrote:
GPFontaine wrote:
scamrock wrote:
Voltron. Why is it in third place? Get with the fucking program people!

The Fairly Oddparents? What is this?

I have come to the conclusion that the majority of people playing this game were born after 1985. Otherwise these last few would have been landslides.

If you grew up in the early 80's then you would remember people getting the toys, watching the show, and being incredibly excited when you got the final piece so that you could join them all together. Or in my case, I got two pieces and my friend got 3. Parents didn't always understand that it was kinda a big deal to get 5.


Or we could just not make judgments based on nostalgia from our youth which is often horribly skewed by this point and actually weigh these shows by their merits. I mean, I loved G.I. Joe and Transformers and Voltron and all those when I was a kid too, but looking at them now they're cheesy, full of animation and plot errors, and often outright silly. I'm not defending Fairly Oddparents here, I friggin' hate that show, but yes I think Rugrats was a better show than Voltron.


I was going to say that (except the part about FoP, personal favorite). Just because a show is old doesn't mean it's better than one that's new.


Yeah, I was under the impression this was voting for the best cartoon ever, not "The cartoon we remember most fondly from our youth." I was making my votes based more on plot, humor, entertainment, animation, etc and not so much how often I ran around my house as a kid making engine noises because I was Optimus Prime. If you want to do "Best nostalgia cartoon ever" poll, fine. But seeing as how we have choices like Birdman, Family Guy, Simpsons, etc I thought this was more of a weigh it by it's merits as a show not by how many fond, blurry memories we have of it.

I still watch a lot of these shows. I watch Transformers: The Movie (1986) pretty regularly, as well as the series. I watch Voltron quite a bit too. Today, nostalgia aside, if you asked me if I would rather watch Voltron or Rugrats, I would go Voltron. Rugrats was just okay for me. It has nothing to do with nostalgia, at least not for me. I have chosen to vote based on my personal favorite. I understand your point of view, but if we didn't combine personal preference as well as quality, we wouldn't really need to even do this because there would really only be a few shows that would be in the running. Do you think impact on the cartoon industry or on pop culture should be taken into consideration? Something else, does it matter how good the animation, voice acting, score, or production is if it doesn't appeal to you?

You're a Star Wars guy. If this were movies, would you take the crudely made A New Hope, or the polished, superior production quality of Revenge of the Sith? I have a friend who only watches bluray movies on a giant screen plasma with all of the high end hookups. He refuses to play older games because he thinks the graphics suck. Dispite the writing or acting, he prefers the prequel trilogy to the original.


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PostPosted: Dec 03 2009 12:35 am Reply with quote Back to top

UsaSatsui wrote:
Meh, use whatever criteria you want as "Best".


Seriously, we aren't walking around with clipboards rating criteria, I'm voting for what I consider the best in each bracket, based on whatever I want to...if I want to vote Voltron because I like robots that combine into bigger robots, so be it.
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PostPosted: Dec 03 2009 12:58 am Reply with quote Back to top

We should actually all agree to replace one of the shows with Bobby's World...hell make one of the polls with 5 options instead of 4
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PostPosted: Dec 03 2009 01:05 am Reply with quote Back to top

Doddsino wrote:
We should actually all agree to replace one of the shows with Bobby's World...hell make one of the polls with 5 options instead of 4

I'm game.

@Usa...yeah, yeah, yeah...we didn't nominate it, i get it.... blah, blah, blah
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PostPosted: Dec 03 2009 02:15 am Reply with quote Back to top

So whatever the 15th poll is, I suggest Bobby's World as a 5th Dark Horse candidate. If it was meant to not win, it won't.
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PostPosted: Dec 03 2009 08:52 am Reply with quote Back to top

scamrock wrote:
Black Zarak wrote:
UsaSatsui wrote:
Black Zarak wrote:
GPFontaine wrote:
scamrock wrote:
Voltron. Why is it in third place? Get with the fucking program people!

The Fairly Oddparents? What is this?

I have come to the conclusion that the majority of people playing this game were born after 1985. Otherwise these last few would have been landslides.

If you grew up in the early 80's then you would remember people getting the toys, watching the show, and being incredibly excited when you got the final piece so that you could join them all together. Or in my case, I got two pieces and my friend got 3. Parents didn't always understand that it was kinda a big deal to get 5.


Or we could just not make judgments based on nostalgia from our youth which is often horribly skewed by this point and actually weigh these shows by their merits. I mean, I loved G.I. Joe and Transformers and Voltron and all those when I was a kid too, but looking at them now they're cheesy, full of animation and plot errors, and often outright silly. I'm not defending Fairly Oddparents here, I friggin' hate that show, but yes I think Rugrats was a better show than Voltron.


I was going to say that (except the part about FoP, personal favorite). Just because a show is old doesn't mean it's better than one that's new.


Yeah, I was under the impression this was voting for the best cartoon ever, not "The cartoon we remember most fondly from our youth." I was making my votes based more on plot, humor, entertainment, animation, etc and not so much how often I ran around my house as a kid making engine noises because I was Optimus Prime. If you want to do "Best nostalgia cartoon ever" poll, fine. But seeing as how we have choices like Birdman, Family Guy, Simpsons, etc I thought this was more of a weigh it by it's merits as a show not by how many fond, blurry memories we have of it.

I still watch a lot of these shows. I watch Transformers: The Movie (1986) pretty regularly, as well as the series. I watch Voltron quite a bit too. Today, nostalgia aside, if you asked me if I would rather watch Voltron or Rugrats, I would go Voltron. Rugrats was just okay for me. It has nothing to do with nostalgia, at least not for me. I have chosen to vote based on my personal favorite. I understand your point of view, but if we didn't combine personal preference as well as quality, we wouldn't really need to even do this because there would really only be a few shows that would be in the running. Do you think impact on the cartoon industry or on pop culture should be taken into consideration? Something else, does it matter how good the animation, voice acting, score, or production is if it doesn't appeal to you?

You're a Star Wars guy. If this were movies, would you take the crudely made A New Hope, or the polished, superior production quality of Revenge of the Sith? I have a friend who only watches bluray movies on a giant screen plasma with all of the high end hookups. He refuses to play older games because he thinks the graphics suck. Dispite the writing or acting, he prefers the prequel trilogy to the original.

Some of my choices are influenced by nostalgia, but more often it is because I stopped watching cartoons designed for children when I became an adolescent. Please don't take this as an insult or attack on people who keep watching cartoons made for younger populations, I simply missed a lot of the cartoons that have been mentioned. This website has a huge following partly because of its 80's and 90's retro/nostalgia driven conversation base. That time period was my childhood.

Of course I remember the best things from my younger days differently than I would now. But the feeling you get when you watch a show as a kid is the important one. Just like South Park is now more meaningful as an adult because that is who it is made for.

I will continue to vote for older cartoons if I feel that they had a large positive impact on my feelings as a kid because if they did, then they were interesting and fun! Who cares if they weren't animated as well, or have flaws.

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PostPosted: Dec 03 2009 10:36 am Reply with quote Back to top

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(Note: the maid in Family Guy last week had her front pocket jump from her left breast to her right breast a few times)


Nooooooo...was left pocket.

And there will be no changes in the roster, regardless of any other shows you may or may have forgotten. I didn't do it for Beavis and Butthead, I won't be doing it for Bobby's World. If I felt the need to tweak the contest to get all of my favorites in, this would have been a very different list.
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PostPosted: Dec 03 2009 12:10 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Hey, I'm just saying make your votes because you like a show, not because you remember it fondly. If you voted Voltron because you still love Voltron, cool. I just don't want to see shows that are arguably better losing because people are voting based on how much they loved a show as a kid and haven't watched it in a hundred years.

I watch the original Transformers movie a lot too, but if it was a candidate in a "Best animated movie ever" poll, I wouldn't vote for it because really the only good parts are Optimus kicking all the Decepticons asses' and Unicron transforming. The rest is just a giant toy commercial.


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PostPosted: Dec 03 2009 04:15 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Black Zarak wrote:
Hey, I'm just saying make your votes because you like a show, not because you remember it fondly. If you voted Voltron because you still love Voltron, cool. I just don't want to see shows that are arguably better losing because people are voting based on how much they loved a show as a kid and haven't watched it in a hundred years.

I watch the original Transformers movie a lot too, but if it was a candidate in a "Best animated movie ever" poll, I wouldn't vote for it because really the only good parts are Optimus kicking all the Decepticons asses' and Unicron transforming. The rest is just a giant toy commercial.

I understand you point, and it is a valid one. I wasn't ripping on you or anything, I was just pointing out that my votes were based more on what appeals to me rather than nostalgia. Though, I can understand GP's point of view as well. But I don't think you have to worry because I believe in the end, the cream will rise to the top. I'm sure Simpsons, Looney Tunes, Batman: TAS will all be around at the end.

But I will disagree on Transformers: The Movie being a giant toy commercial. It may have been intended to be just that. I don't know. But for me, it didn't feel like it. I never felt like I was watching an advertisement. In fact, if there were no toys, I don't think anything in the movie would have to be changed.


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Other than all the old Autobots you couldn't buy the toys of anymore dying like bitches in the first five minutes to make way for a bunch of new characters whose toys just happened to come out around then?


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PostPosted: Dec 03 2009 04:51 pm Reply with quote Back to top

i still think its a fun movie, regardless of whether it was a toy commercial (Ed. - it was) or not.


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PostPosted: Dec 03 2009 05:53 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Black Zarak wrote:
Other than all the old Autobots you couldn't buy the toys of anymore dying like bitches in the first five minutes to make way for a bunch of new characters whose toys just happened to come out around then?

Toylines will always coincide with current characters in any tv or movie series. They very well may have used the movie as an excuse to create a whole new line of toys. But looking at the movie by itself, I never felt like it was advertisement or a commercial. In fact, I thought the story in the movie was far better than most of the stories in the series. I thought it was pretty cool that they killed off characters.


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You people are doing this to me on purpose, aren't you?
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yes
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Why didn't anybody tell me my video didn't work? =/ it showed the cool moves Lion Voltron had in a Super Robot Wars game.

Anyway, I guess I hold the deciding vote. I still don't know whether to vote Voltron because it was the only classic-style super robot show to achieve mass success in America and my mecha fan side says "DO IT", Rugrats because of fond memories (hey, I LOVED the movies but hate Dil) or FOP because it makes me laugh and Cosmo brightens my day with his sheer stupidity.

So I'll exacerbate the tie by voting Rugrats and decide later. =p


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PostPosted: Dec 04 2009 08:38 am Reply with quote Back to top

GPFontaine wrote:

Some of my choices are influenced by nostalgia, but more often it is because I stopped watching cartoons designed for children when I became an adolescent. Please don't take this as an insult or attack on people who keep watching cartoons made for younger populations, I simply missed a lot of the cartoons that have been mentioned. This website has a huge following partly because of its 80's and 90's retro/nostalgia driven conversation base. That time period was my childhood.

Of course I remember the best things from my younger days differently than I would now. But the feeling you get when you watch a show as a kid is the important one. Just like South Park is now more meaningful as an adult because that is who it is made for.

I will continue to vote for older cartoons if I feel that they had a large positive impact on my feelings as a kid because if they did, then they were interesting and fun! Who cares if they weren't animated as well, or have flaws.


This is how I feel about it too. I pretty much stopped watching cartoons after 1997 or so, so obviously when a cartoon from the 80s that I remember very fondly that still holds a very special place in my heart goes up against a modern cartoon with higher production values that is arguably "better", I'm going to vote for the old one simply I never watched the new one and to me, the one I remember fondly is better.

For this to be a true contest based only on quality, then the only people who should be voting are the ones who have objectively seen every single cartoon on the list as adults. Obviously that's not possible, and all of us are biased toward the cartoons we most identify with from childhood (when we actually sat down and watched cartoons), so if it's a subjective vote anyway, why discount nostalgia that's just as valid a criteria as anything else?

If we loved the show 10 years ago, but haven't seen it since, you're saying we shouldn't vote for it just because the vote would be based on our old memories of it? That's just stupid and unrealistic. To me, fucking Rugrats means absolutely nothing to me and even if I watched it now, it'd still mean nothing to me whereas Voltron had a hand in defining my generation and watching it now puts a huge smile on my face.

To me, the show is better than the others because of that reason.
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PostPosted: Dec 04 2009 10:45 am Reply with quote Back to top

Oh, for the love of Benji.

Rugrats advances, you know where to go for the tiebreaker.
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