I don't know if it has been addressed before or something, but I think I'm not the only one getting this vibe from TV shows.
Cartoons seem to be getting worse each year. Maybe it's me growing out of it, but that won't explain how I like some new stuff and yet dislike SO much more.
It seems as if right now, everything has to be done in flash (Johnny Test, I'm looking at you) and has to be a copy of the Doraemon/Dexter's Lab formula (You know, anything can happen), like in Fairly OddParents.
I'll take Johnny Test as an example again. The first season of that show is incredible, I'd even go as far as say that it would fit nicely between shows like Dexter's Lab, Cow and Chicken and other Cartoon Cartoons. Then the switch to flash. It's like they magically lost all writing and comedic timing ability. The storylines stopped being interesting, twists became unsurprising and then I realized that at least 50% of cartoons have that "Anything can happen! LOL RANDOMSITY!" feel to it, it just feels stagnating.
Flash animation can be done right and look impressive (Foster's or El Tigre), but these days it looks like a cheap way to cut corners on animation (TOTAL DRAMA FUCKING ISLAND). Seriously, characters in TDI are horribly stiff manequinns whose only fluidity lies in that shitty "bobbing" when characters move that is somehow REQUIRED whenever you make a cartoon in Flash. It's like Macromedia make you sign a blood pact with them that forces you to do that!
While I'm on a hate-o-rade rant about current day cartoons, a little kid who lives in the neighborhood approached me while I let my cat out for a while, and started talking and stuff he then asked me "Have you seen kid vs kat, it's about mr cat who tried to get coo...p"
Kid vs Kat is fine, although too much lame slapstick for my taste, but, golly, it made me think. These kids are gonna grow up watching shit like TDI or Mighty B!
Only good shows I've seen lately with at least some sort of soul or quality are Chowder, Flapjack, Ben 10 (although it's being milked like a slut cow), El Tigre (cansuled lol), Secret Saturdays (The guys behind this clearly put their hearts into this, as the animation is quite good and the action scenes are cool sometimes), Wayside (this has to be one of the most creative toons I've seen in a long time, and it's based on a series of books!). And some others I haven't mentioned right now because I'm dead tired.
Anybody else feeling rage induced at today's cartoons?
(PD: My Gym Partner's a Monkey deserves all the hate it can possibly get)
Chowder and Flapjack rule. There are good cartoons, it is just the 90s were a great time for cartoons and so the number of truly stellar cartoons has decreased because cartoons are not a terribly mainstream form of entertainment for adults. Good cartoons are out there, you just have to keep your eyes pealed.
My Gym Partner's a Mandark would be an amazing show though.
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BlazingGlory
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Nov 20 2009 12:13 am
There is a fifth level of crap, beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as infident as stupidity. It is the middle ground between crappy animation and lame jokes, between creative bankruptness and plotholes, and it lies between the pit of man's lazyness and the summit of his asshole ways. This is the dimension of blandness. It is an area which we call the craptoon zone.
PS. Arf, you maight want to put a few spaces for every couple of lines when you type that much. I had a brain aneurysm trying to read that. Freaking huge wall of text
You make a valid arguement. Most Cartoons are awful, but I feel this doesn't go unnoticed by the youth of today. Look at how fast most of this garbage gets blown off the air.
And for our newest piece of crap, look no further than Fanboy and Chumchum. Nickelodeon certainly has fallen on hard times. "sniff" I miss the days of "Hey Arnold!"
Arf
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Nov 20 2009 12:25 am
I figured as much, BG, sorry.
On another note: I live in south america, and since that fanboy and chumchum show seems new, it won't get here for a while. They JUST now premiered Jimmy Two Shoes, which I have yet to watch.
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Nov 20 2009 01:48 am
most cartoons nawadays are made in adobe flash.
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Nov 20 2009 04:27 am
^Seriously?
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Nov 20 2009 05:54 am
I do not see the problem with Flash. It is a sold, easy to use animation suite.
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Nov 20 2009 06:25 am
There's alway been a lot of cheap animation. A lot of the backgrounds in the 60s and 70s HB garbage were poorly drawn and constantly reused, while 80s and 90s stuff by companies like DIC often featured random coloring errors.
There's alway been a lot of cheap animation. A lot of the backgrounds in the 60s and 70s HB garbage were poorly drawn and constantly reused, while 80s and 90s stuff by companies like DIC often featured random coloring errors.
Yeah also this. Cartoons quality are generally dictated by their writing. Cartoons need to be inventive and clever.
Arf
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Nov 20 2009 10:58 am
Maybe I gave flash animation too much flak. Like I said, it can be done right, but when it's used badly, characters look real stiff, like I said in TDI.
Compare it to Animaniacs, the characters were incredibly animated, they moved, stretched, etc.
And because cartoons from previous eras had some problems, it doesn't really excuse the problems of today's.
But then again, there's the question of style...
The thing that kills me is generally speaking, a kid could watch any of the old cartoons and find a bunch to really enjoy. but other than a few channels that play random shows, you generally can't find them on TV (Christ try finding Looney Toons anymore). The companies keep pumping out the garbage and try to find a goldmine in toy sales..at least that hasn't changed.
Not that I watch new cartoons anymore or anything, but I think a smart move, albeit risky would be to start a company that would follows the original model Nickelodeon set and stick to it. Give kids shows they will enjoy, not what a group of 60 year old's sitting in a board room think they will enjoy. Anymore though I think companies would rather opt for live action children entertainment over animated (more marketability I assume), at least that seems to have been the trend.
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Nov 20 2009 11:33 pm
pineapple wrote:
^Seriously?
yes. foster's home for imaginary friends (excellent show) is an excellent example:
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Nov 21 2009 06:47 am
The problem is the decline of Saturday morning cartoons and after school cartoons on the major networks. They used to have 4 hour blocks of cartoons. Then, they started adding live action shows like Saved by the Bell. This was okay with me. What wasn't okay was that they started putting morning news shows on Saturday mornings in the fucking cartoon time slots. So now, its all morning news and live action. Sure there are networks that show mostly cartoons. But its not the fucking same and everyone knows it.
If the stupid ass FCC wouldn't have forced the networks to have manditory childrens educational shows, non of this would have happened. Saturday mornings would still mean something.
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Nov 21 2009 07:48 am
Berserk007 wrote:
Christ try finding Looney Toons anymore.
THANK YOU
The Bob Clampett Show (uncensored) was really enjoyable. Although I grew up watching the Bugs Bunny and Tweety show.
And about that, why was it called the "Bugs Bunny and Tweety show"? It was Bugs and Daffy who did the song and dance number, who gives a fuck about the little yellow bird? Give Daffy his fuckin' props!!
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Nov 21 2009 07:52 am
I think Looney Tunes is my all time favorite cartoon ever.
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Nov 21 2009 11:32 am
scamrock wrote:
I think Looney Tunes is my all time favorite cartoon ever.
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Nov 21 2009 11:51 am
Old school Looney Toons were awesome, although I never cared for Tweety, nothing about Tweety tickled my funny bone.
Doddsino
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Nov 21 2009 03:41 pm
You know who I fucking hated?
The Tasmanian Devil
Apparently everyone at the studios felt the same way besides Jack Warner. He's never warranted anything outside of being an antagonist for Bugs, so I was amazed that he's supposed to be a face now, plus I don't even recall a single Looney Tunes show where he isn't going against Bugs, but I could be wrong since it's been a while. The character has in recent times, annoyed the hell out of me. While Taz-Mania was a decent show, Taz was the absolute worst part of it. He's so ridiculous, that I'm amazed they even put a show around him given the fact that he talks in grunts and squeals.
Also, I hated how Chuck Jones fucked up Daffy. I really enjoyed the Daffy from the 40's who is sort of a bad guy, but has a charm about him that you love. He was especially effective with Porky as his sidekick, I really enjoyed this era. Of course, Bugs has to be the posterchild of Warner, so Jones decided to make Daffy a jealous fruitcake, which wasn't bad at first, but as it went on, he became a villian in his own right. And don't even question Porky...who knows whatever happened to the pig who kept the studios alive during the 30's before Bugs and Daffy were even created!
Arf
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Nov 21 2009 04:21 pm
"What has Porky done!?"
I think I'm the only one who really didn't like Looney Toons. I was born WELL way after that era, and looking back on it, I honestly can't see the greatness of it. And add on top that since I live in South America, a lot of the jokes (political and cultural) went over my head due to being of a different time period, and of a different country. And translation. You always miss something when translating, and I bet Looney Toons wasn't an exception.
I am le sad
(Also, was the intro to Foster's redone in some way or enhanced? Because in that Youtube video, I notice there's some different stuff, like the way Mac runs up the stairs)
Basically did what every other Looney Tune before him couldn't. Carry the studio and make profit.
Crash course;
Basically, these two animators who worked for Disney got a deal with Warner Bros. to develop a cartoon for them, since it was a hot ticket at the time. For their "Mickey Mouse", they created Bosko. Bosko was a little monkey character who acted like a stereotypical African American. After a dispute with the studio a few years later, the two animators took the Bosko character over to MGM (prior to Tom and Jerry) and created "Happy Harmonies". Oh and they also changed Bosko and company to stereotypical African American children, big lips and all. Warner's remaining staff created Buddy, who completely sucked ass. They then tried their luck with Beans the cat, who was sorta better, but not much. In one of these Beans shorts, Porky made his debut as a supporting character and was an instant success. The studio started putting out Porky Pig cartoons and went on to be Disney's big rival. After a while, they created Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd who were also very popular and started getting a lot of screen time over Porky, who was still pretty prominent. A few years later, Bugs Bunny was created and Porky became a supporting character again. By the 60's, he was all but forgotten.
I should also mention that the redesign of the Tunes in the 60's was terrible, I never understood why the quality went downhill.
Arf
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Posted:
Nov 21 2009 05:13 pm
I actually know that. I just wanted to put that Mother 3 line somewhere.