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Alice In Chains- Black Gives Way To Blue


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MouthForWar
Title: The People's Champ!
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PostPosted: Oct 06 2009 06:24 pm Reply with quote Back to top

What an amazing album. What a comeback!! It's scary how much Will Duvall mimics and sounds like Layne. It's just where AIC left off. I tip my hat to Jerry for staying true to his roots and not cashing in like so many bands today have. Alice In Chains are BACK! The missing link!!





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Doddsino
Joined: Oct 01 2009
PostPosted: Oct 07 2009 06:35 am Reply with quote Back to top

Have yet to pick it up, but if it's anything like their other 3 albums, (particularly Dirt) then I'll have to check it out.

I was real worried about the reunion without Layne Staley, and haven't heard this other guy yet, so if he can mimic Staley the way you say he can, consider that album mine.
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Alowishus
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PostPosted: Oct 08 2009 03:27 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I listened to it on Spotify. I am an AiC so i will buy it when i have some spare cash but i thought it was just alright.

It is a good comeback album but tripod >>>>> black gives way to blue.
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Freakofnature
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PostPosted: Oct 08 2009 03:32 pm Reply with quote Back to top

It isn't worth downloading or buying in my humble opinion. By the time I got to "Your Descion" I just got really bored with it.


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Captain_Pollution
Title: Hugh
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PostPosted: Oct 08 2009 07:13 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Alowishus wrote:
I listened to it on Spotify. I am an AiC so i will buy it when i have some spare cash but i thought it was just alright.


You're an Alice in Chains? Pardon?

Anyway, I have a few points on this. First off, the music's as good as it ever has been, and there's still the same filler there has been in addition to the good songs. Jerry's still writing it and he's a very consistent songwriter.

Next up, the new guy isn't half as good as Layne was, and they shouldn't be replacing him like this. I understand the whole "We're not trying to replace him, we're just moving on" argument, but come the fuck on. Alice was a band and Layne died, whatever. But they made a record without Layne, it was called Degradation Trip and kicked ass, it was released as a Jerry Cantrell solo record. How the fuck can you say you aren't replacing the man when he was in the band, then he wasn't and you made a record without him under a different name, then you hired a guy who sounds a lot like him and started using the original name again? There's a word for what they are now, it's called a tribute band. I don't care if most of the band was in the original band, or if it's the same primary songwriter and they're still making new music; by hiring a Layne sound-a-like and using the old name again, they're imitating the old thems, and they're a tribute band. Even if they do sound good.

Anyway, I'm hugely against their trying to replace Layne like this, I think the man deserves some fucking respect. Regardless, the music still kicks a lot of ass, so I'll probably buy it.


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MouthForWar
Title: The People's Champ!
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PostPosted: Oct 10 2009 11:17 am Reply with quote Back to top

Captain_Pollution wrote:
Alowishus wrote:
I listened to it on Spotify. I am an AiC so i will buy it when i have some spare cash but i thought it was just alright.


You're an Alice in Chains? Pardon?

Anyway, I have a few points on this. First off, the music's as good as it ever has been, and there's still the same filler there has been in addition to the good songs. Jerry's still writing it and he's a very consistent songwriter.

Next up, the new guy isn't half as good as Layne was, and they shouldn't be replacing him like this. I understand the whole "We're not trying to replace him, we're just moving on" argument, but come the fuck on. Alice was a band and Layne died, whatever. But they made a record without Layne, it was called Degradation Trip and kicked ass, it was released as a Jerry Cantrell solo record. How the fuck can you say you aren't replacing the man when he was in the band, then he wasn't and you made a record without him under a different name, then you hired a guy who sounds a lot like him and started using the original name again? There's a word for what they are now, it's called a tribute band. I don't care if most of the band was in the original band, or if it's the same primary songwriter and they're still making new music; by hiring a Layne sound-a-like and using the old name again, they're imitating the old thems, and they're a tribute band. Even if they do sound good.

Anyway, I'm hugely against their trying to replace Layne like this, I think the man deserves some fucking respect. Regardless, the music still kicks a lot of ass, so I'll probably buy it.


See, I completely disagree. Layne did nothing for AIC besides give his voice and do drugs. Jerry was the main songwriter and I really like that he is stickin' to his guns. I don't see Duvall as a Layne replacement because AIC's thing has always been to have their vocals in harmony. If anything, Will Duvall sounds more like Jerry then he does to Layne. Everyone is bitching and complaining about AIC without Layne, and even the biggest and die hard of fans are ignoring the fact that AIC is back and picked up exactly where they left off. Saying AIC isn't AIC without Layne is like saying AC/DC isn't AC/DC without Bon Scott, or Led Zeppelin isn't Zepp without Robert Plant. I think people need to see past this, stop bitching and listen to the great music that is the new AIC album. I have personally really got into the track, "Last Of My Kind". As always, Jerry writes fabulous lyrics.





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MouthForWar
Title: The People's Champ!
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PostPosted: Oct 10 2009 01:19 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Freakofnature wrote:
It isn't worth downloading or buying in my humble opinion. By the time I got to "Your Descion" I just got really bored with it.


Aren't you the guy who ranted on about metal in that one thread? Unless that thread was a big joke, I'm pretty sure you may be the most closed minded person in regards to music. With that being stated, don't listen to this guy. In my "humble" opinion, it is worth the tag if your a fan of AIC.





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Captain_Pollution
Title: Hugh
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PostPosted: Oct 11 2009 12:55 am Reply with quote Back to top

Mouth: No, not at all. You either didn't actually read my post or you have very poor reading comprehension skills. I didn't bitch at all about them coming back without Layne, I bitched about them replacing him, which is what they are doing. Here's the part of my last post you didn't read:

I wrote:
Alice was a band and Layne died, whatever. But they made a record without Layne, it was called Degradation Trip and kicked ass, it was released as a Jerry Cantrell solo record. How the fuck can you say you aren't replacing the man when he was in the band, then he wasn't and you made a record without him under a different name, then you hired a guy who sounds a lot like him and started using the original name again?

You see, I'm fine with them going on without Layne, I don't mind them not breaking up because he died, but you don't seem to understand what happened. He didn't die, then they broke up, and now they got back together; he died, they broke up (unofficially), made a record under a different name, hired a guy who sings like him, and then started calling themselves Alice in Chains again. And sorry, I wrote Degradation Trip, I meant Boggy Depot

And to say that he contributed nothing to the band is just plain dumb. Sure he didn't write most of the music, but he did write a notable amount of lyrics, as well as provide a face and personality for the band. Musically he contributed very little. But if you accept that he contributed almost nothing musically, then how are you praising the "return of Alice"? Jerry always wrote ninety percent of the music, and he's made two solo records since they broke up. If you consider Alice to be Jerry's music, then they haven't been gone that long.

Also, if you'll notice, I said the music was good, I said I'dbuy the record. All I said was that it was pretty godamned disrespectful to replace Layne. i didn't say it was disrespectful to get another singer, or to keep making music, I said it was disrespectful to replace him, which is what they're doing. I have my reasoning for why they are replacing him and not just moving on, and if you have reasoning for why they aren't replacing him, I'd like to hear it; I promise I'm not trying to be arrogant, but I don't understand the argument that they aren't replacing him at all.

You should pop onto the IRC channel sometime, I'm usually there. I'd love to chat with you in there sometime. It's less like sending letters and more like actually talking to the person, which I think would do well for a conversation like this.

Oh, and don't worry about FreakofNature, he's a troll, one hundred and ten percent. Everything he's said is just meant to piss people off, ignore it.


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MouthForWar
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PostPosted: Oct 12 2009 12:05 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Rock n' Roll dude! I understand where your coming from. I'm here to make friends, not enemies, and I respect your take on the whole AIC thing. I see where it is your coming from, I geuss I just jumped the gun in lashing out, because I back Jerry, Sean and Mike up 100%. Especially now, that they are all sober, I think it was a great idea for them to hit the road again, and get back to where they were. I try not to look at Will as replacing Layne. I would much rather look at it as Will picking up where Layne left off, and carrying his torch, so to speak. Replacing is such a nasty word in the realm of musicians, I geuss I've just been so stoked that everyone is back on the wagon, I just have failed to comprehend other people, and their opinions. My apologies. Laughing





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Captain_Pollution
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PostPosted: Oct 12 2009 10:32 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Oh no, man, it's totally cool. Let's just all sit back and enjoy the wicked music they're making.


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Alowishus
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PostPosted: Oct 20 2009 12:33 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Captain_Pollution wrote:
Mouth: No, not at all. You either didn't actually read my post or you have very poor reading comprehension skills. I didn't bitch at all about them coming back without Layne, I bitched about them replacing him, which is what they are doing. Here's the part of my last post you didn't read:

I wrote:
Alice was a band and Layne died, whatever. But they made a record without Layne, it was called Degradation Trip and kicked ass, it was released as a Jerry Cantrell solo record. How the fuck can you say you aren't replacing the man when he was in the band, then he wasn't and you made a record without him under a different name, then you hired a guy who sounds a lot like him and started using the original name again?

You see, I'm fine with them going on without Layne, I don't mind them not breaking up because he died, but you don't seem to understand what happened. He didn't die, then they broke up, and now they got back together; he died, they broke up (unofficially), made a record under a different name, hired a guy who sings like him, and then started calling themselves Alice in Chains again. And sorry, I wrote Degradation Trip, I meant Boggy Depot

And to say that he contributed nothing to the band is just plain dumb. Sure he didn't write most of the music, but he did write a notable amount of lyrics, as well as provide a face and personality for the band. Musically he contributed very little. But if you accept that he contributed almost nothing musically, then how are you praising the "return of Alice"? Jerry always wrote ninety percent of the music, and he's made two solo records since they broke up. If you consider Alice to be Jerry's music, then they haven't been gone that long.

Also, if you'll notice, I said the music was good, I said I'dbuy the record. All I said was that it was pretty godamned disrespectful to replace Layne. i didn't say it was disrespectful to get another singer, or to keep making music, I said it was disrespectful to replace him, which is what they're doing. I have my reasoning for why they are replacing him and not just moving on, and if you have reasoning for why they aren't replacing him, I'd like to hear it; I promise I'm not trying to be arrogant, but I don't understand the argument that they aren't replacing him at all.

You should pop onto the IRC channel sometime, I'm usually there. I'd love to chat with you in there sometime. It's less like sending letters and more like actually talking to the person, which I think would do well for a conversation like this.

Oh, and don't worry about FreakofNature, he's a troll, one hundred and ten percent. Everything he's said is just meant to piss people off, ignore it.


Your argument is ridiculous. What i have gathered is that you are fine with Cantrell releasing music with Kinney and Inez as Jerry Cantrell but you have a problem with Cantrell, Kinney and Inez releasing material with another singer as Alice in chains.

So i pose this to you. Would you have a problem with Cantrell, Kinney, Inez releasing material with another singer as Jerry Cantrell?

Because by what you have said you should be fine with that it would be the exact same as what they are doing now except under a different name. Would that be replacing Layne? or is Cantrell not allowed to have another singer in a solo band because its "disrespectful".

The fact of the matter is Laynes family was okay with AIC going on with a new singer and Cantrell CAN NOT sing the material by himself. So basically Alice in Chains may as well not have even reformed.

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i didn't say it was disrespectful to get another singer, or to keep making music, I said it was disrespectful to replace him


Above does not make a lick of sense to me. Please inform me as to how they can get another singer without replacing him. Getting another singer is fucking replacing him. You don't make any sense unless you mean something else which i can't see. From what i read it seems you are fine with using another singer which is not disrespectful but replacing Layne is disrespectful.. how does that make any sense?

EDIT: At the end of the day. Layne has been replaced/not replaced as you look at it. They have a new singer and complaining about it will get you nowhere. Alice in chains don't really give a fuck what you think about it so theres no point in arguing. You think its disrespectful thats your opinion but nothings going to change.
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Ross Rifle
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PostPosted: Oct 20 2009 12:47 pm Reply with quote Back to top

He's using 'replace' as a specific term. Look at it this way: Brian Johnson 'replaced' Bon Scott in the way that Sammy Hagar didn't replace David Lee Roth. Van Halen became a completely different band when Sammy joined, whereas Alice In Chains just got Layne 2.0 and kept doing the same thing. Whether it's good or bad is personal opinion, but I just thought clear it up rather than let this argument happen after it's been dissolved already.


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Alowishus
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PostPosted: Oct 20 2009 02:48 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Ross Rifle wrote:
He's using 'replace' as a specific term. Look at it this way: Brian Johnson 'replaced' Bon Scott in the way that Sammy Hagar didn't replace David Lee Roth. Van Halen became a completely different band when Sammy joined, whereas Alice In Chains just got Layne 2.0 and kept doing the same thing. Whether it's good or bad is personal opinion, but I just thought clear it up rather than let this argument happen after it's been dissolved already.


That is not clear upon reading what he wrote. The only reason i replied here is because he wrote about alice in chains in the "things about music that piss you off" thread that lead me to here.

However i see his point now and i agree with that respect though i would not have worded it like that.
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PostPosted: Oct 20 2009 04:10 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Crisis averted. Just another day for...



ROSS RIFLE!!!!!


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Captain_Pollution
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PostPosted: Oct 20 2009 06:03 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I think that was perfectly clear from what I said, and as I'm an English prodigy and a published author, I trust my writing skills over your reading comprehension. SO FUCK YOU.


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Alowishus
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PostPosted: Oct 29 2009 03:33 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I beg to differ, please lower yourself from your high horse.
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Captain_Pollution
Title: Hugh
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PostPosted: Oct 29 2009 04:02 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Jeez, don't just assume I'm a huge dick next time. I might've used that dumb This Is A Joke thing, but I figured in being that blatantly and ridiculously arrogant, it was obvious enough I wasn't serious.


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Alowishus
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PostPosted: Oct 30 2009 07:36 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Captain_Pollution wrote:
Jeez, don't just assume I'm a huge dick next time. I might've used that dumb This Is A Joke thing, but I figured in being that blatantly and ridiculously arrogant, it was obvious enough I wasn't serious.


Apologies i find it difficult to interpret stuff like that in text.
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Captain_Pollution
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PostPosted: Oct 30 2009 08:28 pm Reply with quote Back to top

It's okay, man.


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MouthForWar
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PostPosted: Nov 04 2009 02:11 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Uh oh! Do I need to grab my scoop and pail? I sense high levels of sand stuck in vaginas near by. This Is A Joke ha HA!





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