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Well what the hell is a metal band in the "traditional" sense. That's what I hate about this music. People critique it to much with all the sub genres it's given. I've gone to shows where there's the most black goth shit playin and then a hardcore band will play. If it's heavy it's metal (not in the "traditional" sense tho). Emmure is a fun band(or used to be), go see them live and try not to have a good time. I'd rather have a million breakdowns and a lot of dancing than some band dressed in all black talking about whatever in the hell "real" metal lyrics should consist of. Would it ave been better if I said Opeth or In Flames or some other metal band everyone has heard of.
Maybe this isn't exactly "Metal", but I didn't think this thread was meant for only bands who fit the metal genre to a T. |
In retrospect, I was a bit unnecessarily belligerent and apologize if I went over the line. However, I feel as I must "define" metal in the traditional sense. First of all, let's look at your claim "if it's heavy it's metal". This is not true. Many bands could be stated to be "heavy", but not metal. Korn, Slipknot, and even Emmure are all "heavy" bands, but none are metal. There are certain traits to metal just like there are traits to jazz, punk, and blues.
The first, and most important, is the riff. Without riffs, one cannot have metal. In that Emmure song you posted, there was a heavy emphasis on melodic chords, but not on riffs. There were breakdowns, but those come from modern hardcore's influence as opposed to metal. True, there are "traditional" metal bands that did breakdowns (Slayer, Demolition Hammer, Pantera), but their execution greatly differs from the deathcore/metalcore/hardcore bands of today. Compare the riff style of other metal bands and you will see a difference. CLARIFICATION: I've always considered riffs and breakdowns to be separate entities of a song.
Secondly, metal is difficult to "define", but the overwhelming consensus of "I know it when I hear it." That may weaken my argument my a bit, but you should be able tell that Emmure is not a metal band just by listening to them just like you can tell that Cynic is not a jazz band by listening to them. The influences may be there, but they aren't the main source of sound.
Moving on, you mentioned a complaint about people labeling music into subgenres. This actually happens to be one of my favorite activities when it comes to music (besides actually playing it). I love looking at bands and seeing what traits they have. And make no mistake, every band, every song can be put into some kind of category, whether it's thrash metal, avant-garde, noise, etc.
Also, as for the "go see them live and try not to have a good time" part, if I do not enjoy a band's music in the studio, it's very unlikely that I would enjoy their live performance. I'll use Carnifex as an example, as they play a similar style of music. I saw Carnifex open for Obituary and Unleashed last year, and while I disliked them on CD, I disliked them even more live. Also, you mentioned "a lot of dancing". I'm going to assume hardcore dancing, and I find hardcore dancing to be very stupid (my opinion there).
No offense to you personally, but when a "what is metal and what isn't" debate arises, I always have to throw in my two cents.
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| And since when the hell is From the Pawn "deathcore". They're not death at all. I'd call them Hardcore maybe progressive (a little) but I don't hear any death in their music. I hear shit to get down to. |
Deathcore=hardcore mixed with modern death metal. Of course, I only listened to a bit of From the Pawn's music, but it sounded like deathcore to me. The fact that they are not on Metal Archives also seems to support that.
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| I'd rather have a million breakdowns and a lot of dancing than some band dressed in all black talking about whatever in the hell "real" metal lyrics should consist of. |
That's your opinion. I was stating mine. I'm not saying you can't enjoy those bands, but I'd greatly prefer they not be associated with metal, because I am a music nerd like that.
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| Would it ave been better if I said Opeth or In Flames or some other metal band everyone has heard of. |
I actually don't own any Opeth or In Flames, so I can't really say. For the purpose of this thread (recommending metal to Greg), I wouldn't know if he would enjoy them or not.
But I don't want to keep derailing this thread with an argument, so if you would like to continue, PM me.
