Get yourself some Sarcofago, that stuff's good for you. How'd you like Humanure? I heard it and it was okay, same with their new album.
Humanure gets a gigantic "meh." It just seems so lifeless compared to classic death metal. Same with the new album, my brother put it on during a car ride. I should have borrowed the new Faceless album from him as well, supposedly it has a lot of Cynic influence.
What I've heard from Sarcofago makes me really, really want that album, I might buy it tonight even.
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Mar 16 2009 08:45 pm
I saw Cattle Decapitation live and they were really good, their albums are just really boring. I have Sarcofago's first album and it's really awesome.
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Mar 16 2009 08:51 pm
MOGHARR wrote:
I saw Cattle Decapitation live and they were really good, their albums are just really boring. I have Sarcofago's first album and it's really awesome.
With regard to Sarcofago, is that INRI? I would get that, but Itunes doesn't have it. I might download INRI after I buy "The Laws of Scourge."
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Mar 16 2009 08:59 pm
Cannibal just released another album, there sure crank em out fast nowadays it seems. Music is killer, artwork is meh like most of the later releases.
Produced by Erik Rutan of Hate Eternal / Ex morbid Angel, comes with a nifty little making of the album DVD too.
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Mar 16 2009 09:19 pm
Blackout wrote:
Cannibal just released another album, there sure crank em out fast nowadays it seems. Music is killer, artwork is meh like most of the later releases.
Produced by Erik Rutan of Hate Eternal / Ex morbid Angel, comes with a nifty little making of the album DVD too.
I'm not an 'extreme' metal fan, so I don't have a lot to add in the way of what I actually listen to, but since you mentioned Cannibal Corpse, I do have to ask...what's the appeal of their stuff? I'm not asking like some kind of sanctimonious twit who thinks they should be censored (...although I have to admit I don't think they belong next to albums that little kids buy, either. That's pretty much common sense though.)
Now I'm a hardcore Stephen King fan, and freely admit that some of his imagery is every bit as disturbing as the stuff in Cannibal's songs (well...okay, maybe not EVERY bit, but pretty close). But even I had to wince and turn away when I read a few of their songs out of curiosity. Why is it enjoyable?
I should mention, by the way, that in the research I've done, I found that the current lead singer of the band seems like a pretty cool guy. His response to would be censors was, "there’s nothing ever serious. We’re not thinking of anybody in particular that we’re trying to kill, or harm or anything…How can you say we’re promoting violence with imaginary creatures? The people doing the killing in our songs are zombies." Which seems fair enough. (Again, as long as you aren't selling the stuff to kids, but again, that's pretty well common sense.)
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Mar 16 2009 09:30 pm
SoldierHawk wrote:
Blackout wrote:
Cannibal just released another album, there sure crank em out fast nowadays it seems. Music is killer, artwork is meh like most of the later releases.
Produced by Erik Rutan of Hate Eternal / Ex morbid Angel, comes with a nifty little making of the album DVD too.
I'm not an 'extreme' metal fan, so I don't have a lot to add in the way of what I actually listen to, but since you mentioned Cannibal Corpse, I do have to ask...what's the appeal of their stuff? I'm not asking like some kind of sanctimonious twit who thinks they should be censored (...although I have to admit I don't think they belong next to albums that little kids buy, either. That's pretty much common sense though.)
Now I'm a hardcore Stephen King fan, and freely admit that some of his imagery is every bit as disturbing as the stuff in Cannibal's songs (well...okay, maybe not EVERY bit, but pretty close). But even I had to wince and turn away when I read a few of their songs out of curiosity. Why is it enjoyable?
I should mention, by the way, that in the research I've done, I found that the current lead singer of the band seems like a pretty cool guy. His response to would be censors was, "there’s nothing ever serious. We’re not thinking of anybody in particular that we’re trying to kill, or harm or anything…How can you say we’re promoting violence with imaginary creatures? The people doing the killing in our songs are zombies." Which seems fair enough. (Again, as long as you aren't selling the stuff to kids, but again, that's pretty well common sense.)
For me, the appeal to Cannibal Corpse is the same thing that appeals to me in every metal band out there: The riffage. In particular, the beginning of "Hammer Smashed Face" is easily one of the best metal intros of all time. With regard to the imagery, I'm not bothered by it. A lot of metal bands try to push the boundaries lyrically and musically, and the Corpse did it better than most. I imagine it's too extreme for most people, so I don't blame you. I mostly got past it by A) Being desensitized by Slayer, that was the first extreme band I listened to, B) Realizing that they were writing about it from a horror movie perspective, C) realizing it was more ridiculous than scary. (My mentality: There's a band with a song called "I Cum Blood?" NO WAY, I've got to check that out!")
Though I should point out you can't understand the lyrics anyway.
@Blackout: I need to pick that album up, I heard the title track, "Evisceration Plague", and it kicks all kinds of ass.
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Mar 16 2009 09:39 pm
cattle decapitation is mediocre as far as death metal bands go, but the locust USED to be amazing for um what would you call them? post punk? Gabe Serbian is an outstanding drummer.
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Mar 16 2009 09:42 pm
Burt Reynolds wrote:
cattle decapitation is mediocre as far as death metal bands go, but the locust USED to be amazing for um what would you call them? post punk? Gabe Serbian is an outstanding drummer.
A quick look at Wiki says that The Locust is a Powerviolence band, with influences from Grindcore and Mathcore, as well as first-wave screamo. It's Wiki, so take that with a grain of salt, but I'm listening to them now, and that sounds about accurate. I wouldn't call them metal at all.
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Mar 16 2009 09:48 pm
enshinkarateman wrote:
For me, the appeal to Cannibal Corpse is the same thing that appeals to me in every metal band out there: The riffage. In particular, the beginning of "Hammer Smashed Face" is easily one of the best metal intros of all time. With regard to the imagery, I'm not bothered by it. A lot of metal bands try to push the boundaries lyrically and musically, and the Corpse did it better than most. I imagine it's too extreme for most people, so I don't blame you. I mostly got past it by A) Being desensitized by Slayer, that was the first extreme band I listened to, B) Realizing that they were writing about it from a horror movie perspective, C) realizing it was more ridiculous than scary. (My mentality: There's a band with a song called "I Cum Blood?" NO WAY, I've got to check that out!")
Though I should point out you can't understand the lyrics anyway.
I understand its from a horror movie-esque perspective (I didn't until I read that band member's quote, actually; then things made a lot more sense to me than they initially did.) I guess the disconnect is that...I don't really enjoy that kind of horror movie, either. Not that they're bad, they're just not for me.
That said, I'm gonna go check out "Hammer Smashed Face" when I'm in a place I can play it. I'm always willing to give something like that a shot once. I have a feeling I'll be sticking with Iron Maiden, but what the hell. (And seriously, if this ends up turning me into a Cannibal Corpse fan somehow...I think that's like one of the signs of the Apocalypse or something. )
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Mar 16 2009 10:00 pm
enshinkarateman wrote:
Quoted for fucking truth with regard to TGSTK being one of the best. My second favorite metal album after Sepultura's Beneath the Remains.
Odd that I didn't consider myself that big of a death metal fan back when I first did this topic. Now I would say it's my 3rd favorite genre of metal, after thrash and classic. I also think Slayer's "Reign in Blood" is my favorite, as opposed to "Seasons." I've also come to the conclusion that most black metal sucks ass. My opinion. Oh, how I've changed!
Albums I've acquired since I started the topic:
Purchased:
Anthrax-State of Euphoria (Thrash Metal)
Death-Scream Bloody Gore (Death Metal)
Exodus-Bonded by (Thrash Metal)
Kreator-Extreme Aggression (Thrash Metal)
Kreator-Coma of Souls (Thrash Metal)
Megadeth-Killing is my Business...And Business is Good (Thrash Metal)
Thrax: The stuff I've heard from State Of Euphoria is really good (I only have the "Anthrology" 2 disc set which has about 6 songs from each album), but for some reason it isn't as inspired as the stuff from Among The Living. I really wanted to like it but I get really bored sometmes when listening to it.
Death: Probably their most consistent straight Death Metal album. A lot of people would say Human is, but I remember listening to that album (Human) for like 2 months straight, then after about a week I couldn't remember any of it. Loses major points for that.
Kreator: Coma Of Souls fucking owns, lots of classic riffs. Extreme Aggressions, not so much. It has a couple choice songs here and there, but there's also alot of filler too. Ironically, Extreme is the one that gets played more from it live, where as the only thing they really play from Coma is "People Of The Lie"
Megadeth: The remasterd version I hope. "Looking Down The Cross" is one of the best songs Dave ever wrote that he never plays live.
Sepultura: I recently came to a bittersweet conclusion about them, all their songs fucking sound the same! There's no consistency of riff patterns, and they change their tempos too fucking much! I remember I was listening to a Satellite radio, and I know they were playing Sepultura, but I couldn't remember if it was a song I hadn't heard, or a song I knew, and it turned out to be fucking "Stronger Than Hate" a song I had probably heard 1,000 times at that point.
Slayer: Two fucking choice albums my friend. Better than Reign In Blood in my not so humble opinion, and Chemical Warfare is their best song ever!
Pantera: So you bought the glam albums?
Carcass: The one album I don't own. Oh irony.
Celtic Frost: The production sounds like total ass on that album and it takes some getting used too. I specifically remember listening to "Procreation of The Wicked" and being like, man this riff rules, but the sound gives me a headache.
Dark Angel: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!! That is all.
Hellhammer: and that album's production makes Morbid Tales sound like Whitesnake! Though Triumph Of Death just might be the greatest Black Metal song ever!
Overkill: People either pick this or Horrorscope as their finest moment, but I prefer Horrorscope. Anybody who's anybody loves "Elimination" though.
As for Cannibal Corpse, this is my problem with them. What the fuck is the point in coming up with the most offensive, brutal lyrics possible if NOBODY CAN UNDERSTAND THEM? I have to fucking keep my eyes glued to a lyric sheet to make out what the hell they are saying. I appreciate the death guttural vocals for what they are, but you know why Slayer got infamous? It's because you can actually decipher Tom Araya saying "Auschwitz! The meaning of Pain! The way that I want you to die!" "A Skull Full Of Maggots " is a great song though.
There are a lot of what if's in life Donny. What if I hit you really hard in the face, knocked yo shit to the back of yo skull? What if I....had you girl gargle my nuts? The fact remains, you are a fuckin mutant.
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Mar 16 2009 10:36 pm
SoldierHawk wrote:
enshinkarateman wrote:
For me, the appeal to Cannibal Corpse is the same thing that appeals to me in every metal band out there: The riffage. In particular, the beginning of "Hammer Smashed Face" is easily one of the best metal intros of all time. With regard to the imagery, I'm not bothered by it. A lot of metal bands try to push the boundaries lyrically and musically, and the Corpse did it better than most. I imagine it's too extreme for most people, so I don't blame you. I mostly got past it by A) Being desensitized by Slayer, that was the first extreme band I listened to, B) Realizing that they were writing about it from a horror movie perspective, C) realizing it was more ridiculous than scary. (My mentality: There's a band with a song called "I Cum Blood?" NO WAY, I've got to check that out!")
Though I should point out you can't understand the lyrics anyway.
I understand its from a horror movie-esque perspective (I didn't until I read that band member's quote, actually; then things made a lot more sense to me than they initially did.) I guess the disconnect is that...I don't really enjoy that kind of horror movie, either. Not that they're bad, they're just not for me.
That said, I'm gonna go check out "Hammer Smashed Face" when I'm in a place I can play it. I'm always willing to give something like that a shot once. I have a feeling I'll be sticking with Iron Maiden, but what the hell. (And seriously, if this ends up turning me into a Cannibal Corpse fan somehow...I think that's like one of the signs of the Apocalypse or something. )
I actually don't enjoy that type of horror movie either, but remember, I'm there for the music, not lyrics. I don't even pay attention to lyrics, unless the band is advocating racism. That's just not cool at all.
If you're just trying death metal, I wouldn't start with CC. While the intro to "Hammer Smashed Face" is great, the rest of the song starts to drag halfway through. I'd check out some stuff off of "Eaten Back to Life", as it's a lot closer to thrash (and thus somewhat more accessible) than the later material. Former frontman Barnes' vocals are easier to understand as well.
P.S. A lot of CC's "scary" factor is also removed when you find out Corpsegrinder (frontman) is a huge WoW addict.
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Thrax: The stuff I've heard from State Of Euphoria is really good (I only have the "Anthrology" 2 disc set which has about 6 songs from each album), but for some reason it isn't as inspired as the stuff from Among The Living. I really wanted to like it but I get really bored sometmes when listening to it.
Death: Probably their most consistent straight Death Metal album. A lot of people would say Human is, but I remember listening to that album (Human) for like 2 months straight, then after about a week I couldn't remember any of it. Loses major points for that.
Kreator: Coma Of Souls fucking owns, lots of classic riffs. Extreme Aggressions, not so much. It has a couple choice songs here and there, but there's also alot of filler too. Ironically, Extreme is the one that gets played more from it live, where as the only thing they really play from Coma is "People Of The Lie"
Megadeth: The remasterd version I hope. "Looking Down The Cross" is one of the best songs Dave ever wrote that he never plays live.
Sepultura: I recently came to a bittersweet conclusion about them, all their songs fucking sound the same! There's no consistency of riff patterns, and they change their tempos too fucking much! I remember I was listening to a Satellite radio, and I know they were playing Sepultura, but I couldn't remember if it was a song I hadn't heard, or a song I knew, and it turned out to be fucking "Stronger Than Hate" a song I had probably heard 1,000 times at that point.
Slayer: Two fucking choice albums my friend. Better than Reign In Blood in my not so humble opinion, and Chemical Warfare is their best song ever!
Pantera: So you bought the glam albums?
Carcass: The one album I don't own. Oh irony.
Celtic Frost: The production sounds like total ass on that album and it takes some getting used too. I specifically remember listening to "Procreation of The Wicked" and being like, man this riff rules, but the sound gives me a headache.
Dark Angel: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!! That is all.
Hellhammer: and that album's production makes Morbid Tales sound like Whitesnake! Though Triumph Of Death just might be the greatest Black Metal song ever!
Overkill: People either pick this or Horrorscope as their finest moment, but I prefer Horrorscope. Anybody who's anybody loves "Elimination" though.
As for Cannibal Corpse, this is my problem with them. What the fuck is the point in coming up with the most offensive, brutal lyrics possible if NOBODY CAN UNDERSTAND THEM? I have to fucking keep my eyes glued to a lyric sheet to make out what the hell they are saying. I appreciate the death guttural vocals for what they are, but you know why Slayer got infamous? It's because you can actually decipher Tom Araya saying "Auschwitz! The meaning of Pain! The way that I want you to die!" "A Skull Full Of Maggots " is a great song though.
Thrax: Agreed that Euphoria isn't anywhere as good as "Among." I need to get "Fistful of Metal."
Kreator: I'm seeing them in May, I'll let you know what they play from "Extreme.' They've got to rock "Betrayer." And I am glad they've been playing "People of the Lie." My favorite song from them.
Megadeth: Indeed, it's the remastered version. I also bought "So Far..." on vinyl, forgot to mention that.
Sep: Haha, I do admit that pretty much everything on the first three albums sounds the same. But I'd say Sep was just sticking to the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" philosophy. In my avatar, I'm actually wearing a Sepultura "S" shirt.
Pantera: I should have said "I bought every Pantera album that you can actually find in stores", and I just downloaded the glam material. No surprise, everything with Terry Glaze sucks. "Power Metal" kicks ass, though.
Carcass: It's all right. I prefer Repulsion when it comes to early grind.
CF: MT/ER kicks an obscene amount of ass, save for "Danse Macabre." What the hell was Tom Warrior on when he made that?
DA: Dark FUCKIN' Angel. 'Nuff said.
Hellhammer: So far, I prefer CF, but Hellhammer is still good.
Overkill: YoD would be so much better if Overkill didn't try to go '...And Justice for All" on us with the 10 minute songs. "Skullkrusher" just drags like no other.
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Mar 16 2009 11:07 pm
I 'spose you've all seen this?
Still funny shit
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Mar 16 2009 11:17 pm
Captain_Pollution wrote:
I 'spose you've all seen this?
Still funny shit
I think that's the most I've ever heard Rex say at one time.
But man, Vinnie Paul in Spandex...
And then you have the man himself, Dimebag/Diamond Darrell, may he rest in peace. I haven't seen that vid in a while, thanks for the post, CP. I wonder what Syd thinks of Glamtera's material.
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Mar 16 2009 11:58 pm
The song "Metal Magic" is actually kinda thrashy. If you were to have Phil do vocals and write lyrics, it wouldn't be that far removed from Cowboys From Hell.
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Mar 17 2009 12:09 am
Here's my two cents on Cannibal Corpse and Death Metal in general.
I've always been a fan of heavy music, both as a listener and as a musician. When I was young and learning guitar nothing was more fun than playing something that was fast and heavy. I started listening to stuff like Nirvana and Korn and all the more mainstream stuff that was popular while I was growing up, and the heavier songs always drew me in the most. But it wasn't heavy enough, I had this feeling that it could be much heavier. I started listening to older stuff like Metallica and Slayer and it was great, but still not heavy enough. Hearing death metal for the first time was like a kick to the face. HOLY SHIT!
I think the reason that music of this genre is popular is due to a shift in human life. Throughout human history life was harsh violent and short. Music of the times tended to be the opposite, people wanted to relax after long hard day of siege warfare wanted something quiet and calming to relax to.
Nowadays most people in this hemisphere lead relatively peaceful existences, conflict in the personal lives of the population for a large part is mild to non existent. People want something to amp them up, something exciting. Extreme music provides this release in my opinion.
I also enjoy it from a musicians point of view. I've focused on really heavy metal style playing and it's freaking hard to learn and play. I can keep up a fast heavy complex riff for a song or two, but after that I'm assed out. So watching bands like Cannibal Corpse perform non stop for an hour and a half either live or footage is akin to watching your favorite football team kick ass imo.
In regards to the violent content and imagery there's a few different angles. Obviously the people writing these lyrics are fans of horror, so a simplistic answer would be it's the musical equivalent of a slasher flick. If you're in a heavy metal band that's playing brutal crazy sounding shit and you love zombie movies the lyrics and artwork are going to reflect that.
A more in depth look would show that people has always had a fascination with the macabre and gory. Despite what the modern media would like you to think this is nothing new. Old West Murder Ballads, Victorian Era broadsides illustrating gruesome shocking murders, woodcuts from older times detailing the crimes and punishment of witches and vampires and werewolves, most certainly early psychopathic criminals instead of monsters, etc. Humans have always had an interest in the base animalistic nature lurking beneath the veneer of civilized society, so gory violent shit in entertainment is nothing new.
In regards to not being able to understand the vocals I've found that many of the vocalists just mutter and it is indeed impossible to comprehend them. But I consider those vocalists cheaters. Many vocalists take the time and effort to pronounce the syllables the best they can in a growl or scream, the new singer from Cannibal being a prime example. The original one was a more guttural and sounded like he enunciated less, but he was a lot better than most of the generic growlers out there. I've listened to DM so long that I can understand some bands almost perfectly without having to peruse the lyrics. I didn't start that way though, I listened to a whole lot of it before it clicked.
In closing I'd have to say it's a lot of fun, it's powerful sounding and a rush to listen to. Check CC out live if you ever get a chance, it's like a sonic ass whooping for your ears, like the sound of a ravening horde of monsters swarming across a a valley towards you. It kind of gets into your system and makes you wanna stomp around and go Godzilla. It speaks to the inner Hulk we all harbor somewhere.
I've taken people to see CC live who don't even like metal and they could not help themselves, for example my bleach blond christian (ex) girlfriend from a few years ago HATED anything heavy. She liked Missy Eliot and Incubus and anything on the radio and hated it when I played anything remotely heavy. She referred to Death Metal as Toilet Metal because she said the growling and screaming reminded her of someone retching into the throne after a hard night's drinking.
I convinced her to go to a Cannibal Corpse show with me and I'll be damned if she wasn't headbanging and throwing up the horns (erroneously with her thumb out but that's ok) and screaming along with everyone else. It's infectious!
So in closing if you get the chance to see CC live fucking do it! Even if you don't like metal. I guarantee you'll be entertained.
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Mar 17 2009 12:43 am
Hot damn. +666 Blackout.
Some excellent points, ones I most certainly agree with. I hear you on how blood and gore has always been a part of every culture. While I would argue that a carving (however graphic) of a "witch" or whoever being executed is...still rather different than screaming about how you want to rape a bunch of children's corpses...I guess its a natural progression in that our society is more comfortable talking about, and dealing with, more issues nowadays than we were then. It makes sense that the graphic/gore release would have to up the ante too. And fuck, people brought their kids to mass burnings then. At least this isn't for real.
I'll make a confession here: CC's lyrics downright scared me when I first read them (however many hours ago that was). And I don't mean scared like, oh I just read "The Shining" scared, but truly, "holy fucking shit, what have I just exposed my brain to" kind of scared. Not that I'm a prude or overly sheltered (I mean hell, I've heard, if not loved, Slayer and their kin), but I hadn't ever run into anything quite like *that* before. I'm still working up the guts to go seek out "Hammer Smashed Face" on youtube. I know that probably sounds stupid to someone who's a deep aficionado of the art form, but my knee-jerk reaction was SUCH a visceral "OH HELL NO!" and I'm still working through that. I don't think I'll ever be a fan, but its SO extreme (and enough people I respect are fans of it) that I am curious. I'll check back in once I quit being a wuss and play the damn video lol.
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Mar 17 2009 12:56 am
I just remember reading the lyrics to "Shredded Humans" by Cannibal Corpse and being too terrified to actually find out what they sound like.
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Mar 17 2009 04:50 am
SoldierHawk wrote:
Hot damn. +666 Blackout.
Some excellent points, ones I most certainly agree with. I hear you on how blood and gore has always been a part of every culture. While I would argue that a carving (however graphic) of a "witch" or whoever being executed is...still rather different than screaming about how you want to rape a bunch of children's corpses...I guess its a natural progression in that our society is more comfortable talking about, and dealing with, more issues nowadays than we were then. It makes sense that the graphic/gore release would have to up the ante too. And fuck, people brought their kids to mass burnings then. At least this isn't for real.
I'll make a confession here: CC's lyrics downright scared me when I first read them (however many hours ago that was). And I don't mean scared like, oh I just read "The Shining" scared, but truly, "holy fucking shit, what have I just exposed my brain to" kind of scared. Not that I'm a prude or overly sheltered (I mean hell, I've heard, if not loved, Slayer and their kin), but I hadn't ever run into anything quite like *that* before. I'm still working up the guts to go seek out "Hammer Smashed Face" on youtube. I know that probably sounds stupid to someone who's a deep aficionado of the art form, but my knee-jerk reaction was SUCH a visceral "OH HELL NO!" and I'm still working through that. I don't think I'll ever be a fan, but its SO extreme (and enough people I respect are fans of it) that I am curious. I'll check back in once I quit being a wuss and play the damn video lol.
Damn Blackout, way to write a thesis.
And is it bad that I find the lyrics to "Hammer Smashed Face" to be pretty tame? At least, compared to "Necropedophile" and "Fucked by a Knife."
Maybe this "interpretation" of the lyrics will soften the blow:
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Mar 17 2009 11:00 am
SoldierHawk wrote:
Hot damn. +666 Blackout.
Some excellent points, ones I most certainly agree with. I hear you on how blood and gore has always been a part of every culture. While I would argue that a carving (however graphic) of a "witch" or whoever being executed is...still rather different than screaming about how you want to rape a bunch of children's corpses...I guess its a natural progression in that our society is more comfortable talking about, and dealing with, more issues nowadays than we were then. It makes sense that the graphic/gore release would have to up the ante too. And fuck, people brought their kids to mass burnings then. At least this isn't for real.
I'll make a confession here: CC's lyrics downright scared me when I first read them (however many hours ago that was). And I don't mean scared like, oh I just read "The Shining" scared, but truly, "holy fucking shit, what have I just exposed my brain to" kind of scared. Not that I'm a prude or overly sheltered (I mean hell, I've heard, if not loved, Slayer and their kin), but I hadn't ever run into anything quite like *that* before. I'm still working up the guts to go seek out "Hammer Smashed Face" on youtube. I know that probably sounds stupid to someone who's a deep aficionado of the art form, but my knee-jerk reaction was SUCH a visceral "OH HELL NO!" and I'm still working through that. I don't think I'll ever be a fan, but its SO extreme (and enough people I respect are fans of it) that I am curious. I'll check back in once I quit being a wuss and play the damn video lol.
Yea, Hammer Smashed Face is pretty tame. And as illustrated by the video, the lyrics are impossible to decipher unless you're looking directly at the lyric sheet. Hell, you could probably listen to "Fucked With A Knife" without lyrics and be fine.
There are a lot of what if's in life Donny. What if I hit you really hard in the face, knocked yo shit to the back of yo skull? What if I....had you girl gargle my nuts? The fact remains, you are a fuckin mutant.
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Mar 17 2009 11:06 am
I'm pretty sure that Venom isn't extreme metal. I can tell, because I actually find them listenable.
Extreme metal is not for me. I like music that actually sound like musics and singers that don't sound like Cookie Monster.
There are a lot of what if's in life Donny. What if I hit you really hard in the face, knocked yo shit to the back of yo skull? What if I....had you girl gargle my nuts? The fact remains, you are a fuckin mutant.
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Mar 17 2009 01:38 pm
JRA wrote:
Syd Lexia wrote:
I'm pretty sure that Venom isn't extreme metal. I can tell, because I actually find them listenable.
Extreme metal is not for me. I like music that actually sound like musics and singers that don't sound like Cookie Monster.
Venom are generally considered the progenitors of that style though.
Indeed. Without Venom, there would be no thrash, black, or death metal. Or, at least it would have happened a lot later and some other band would have done it. Ah, how I love Venom, even if they were comically inept at their instruments (well, maybe not Mantas.) I still need to buy "Welcome to Hell", though. I've owned "Black Metal" for about a year and I love it so. I believe Venom is responsible for the single greatest lyric in all of metal:
"LAY DOWN YOUR SOUL TO THE GODS ROCK AND ROLL!!!"
Also keep in mind that Cannibal's early style was more gutteral and simplistic, with Chris Barnes doing all the lyrics. His lyrics focused heavily on violent sexual deviant themes. After Chris departed and Cannibal got George the entire band contributed lyrics, and there was a massive shift away from violence against women in their lyrics. There might be a song or two, but back in the day it'd be half the album.
I prefer newer Cannibal because its more diverse and a hell of a lot more technical, making it more interesting. The older stuff is classic, but it tends to get repetitive.
Check out this live clip when y our done with the parody. Note the difference between classic Cannibal and Modern Cannibal.
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Mar 17 2009 04:42 pm
enshinkarateman wrote:
JRA wrote:
Syd Lexia wrote:
I'm pretty sure that Venom isn't extreme metal. I can tell, because I actually find them listenable.
Extreme metal is not for me. I like music that actually sound like musics and singers that don't sound like Cookie Monster.
Venom are generally considered the progenitors of that style though.
Indeed. Without Venom, there would be no thrash, black, or death metal. Or, at least it would have happened a lot later and some other band would have done it. Ah, how I love Venom, even if they were comically inept at their instruments (well, maybe not Mantas.) I still need to buy "Welcome to Hell", though. I've owned "Black Metal" for about a year and I love it so. I believe Venom is responsible for the single greatest lyric in all of metal:
"LAY DOWN YOUR SOUL TO THE GODS ROCK AND ROLL!!!"
Welcome to Hell is merely ok (suspiciuosly, the song Don't Burn The Witch from Black Metal sounds alot like the title track). Black Metal is definitely the better album.
There are a lot of what if's in life Donny. What if I hit you really hard in the face, knocked yo shit to the back of yo skull? What if I....had you girl gargle my nuts? The fact remains, you are a fuckin mutant.