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Ross Rifle
Title: Rock N Roll God
Joined: Oct 29 2006
Location: Chilliwack, BC
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So I bought it. I got all giddy like a little school girl when I grabbed it off the shelf.
After a second listen, I can say that I really like it.
And I can now better word what I was saying earlier about it being Axl's show. With the original lineup, everyone brought something dynamic to the sound, whether it be punk, blues, or country. That's what's missing, but this is still a great album.
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GPFontaine
Joined: Dec 06 2007
Location: Connecticut
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I picked up the CD & LP today.
My wife and I had to drive around CT to various locations and listened to the CD loud on a "good" sound system... not great, but good.
It sounded 10000% better than the streaming versions offered online. I will get to listen to it at home tomorrow on my stereo.
As far as the music goes, I'll get more detailed about it when I have time, but for now, I'll say this:
The music is creative, unique, and well put together. It doesn't fit the same mold as the original GNR, and I didn't expect it to.
For the type of music that it is, I think it is top notch and I would give it an A for quality. With that said, my preference for music still has me leaning towards the older style that the original lineup and +Sorum group had.
On another note, I think that people who never liked GNR might like this new sound and could really get into it.
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Syd Lexia
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Title: Pop Culture Junkie
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| ross_rifle113 wrote: |
| And I can now better word what I was saying earlier about it being Axl's show. With the original lineup, everyone brought something dynamic to the sound, whether it be punk, blues, or country. That's what's missing, but this is still a great album. |
Axl was in charge during the UYI years too. As I recall, he said in an old interview that getting Izzy to contribute during that time period was like pulling teeth, and the only reason Izzy had songs on the UYIs was because Axl wanted them there. And while the UYIs were musically diverse, it was primarly Axl's vision of the albums and Slash's guitar lyrics that defined Use Your Illusion for the MTV and radio crowd.
And having a leader isn't necessarily a bad thing. I mean, look at Motley Crue. Vince, Mick, and Tommy all have input, but everyone knows that Nikki Sixx is the one running the show. Or Iron Maiden. Nothing happens in Iron Maiden unless Steve Harris says it does.
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Ross Rifle
Title: Rock N Roll God
Joined: Oct 29 2006
Location: Chilliwack, BC
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I gave it another listen, this time on headphones. I officially love this album. It is Axl's show, and he proves that he's a genius. This album is soooo not worth the years, money, and jobs of Geffen employees, but it's solid...it's complete.
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Syd Lexia
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No single album could ever justify taking 12 years to make. If it had been a triple album as once rumored, then it could have. But as an album, it's fantastic. The arrangements are very complex. Every time I listen to it, I hear some littlle background thing I didn't notice before.
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GPFontaine
Joined: Dec 06 2007
Location: Connecticut
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I got my Dr. Pepper this morning. The site is working with low traffic early in the morn.
They extended the deal until 6pm est.
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mjl1783
Joined: Aug 13 2008
Location: Watertown, NY
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After listening to the whole album a few times, I have to say I don't dislike it as much as the leaks suggested I would. Still, Axl's "everything including the kitchen sink" approach is annoying. The drawback to making an experimental album where every song has its own distinct flavor is that you run the risk of making an unfocused mish-mash of "look what I can do" tracks. To me, that's what this album is. Too often, it sounds like Axl is screeching and wailing simply to be heard over the swirling cacophony he's created around himself. Perhaps that was a deliberate sonic metaphor for the process of creating the album.
What was always great about Gn'R was their ability to make hard rock with a pop sensiblity. Even when they were in total radio-friendly mode, like on "November Rain," or "Sweet Child of Mine," they were building towards something. At the seven minute mark, "November Rain" starts to get a little tedious. Then, when you get to that outro, it takes what was a decent little rock ballad and transforms into into an epic rock anthem. It's the same with so many of the Gn'R hits, "Sweet Child" and "Paradise City" had great fucking outros. There's none of that to be found on this new album, there's never any climax.
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Burt Reynolds
Title: Bentley Bear
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Location: California
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Awesome! Maybe they will go on tour with the Misfits, another band with almost no original members, writing poopy music and cashing in on the name. I liked the name Conan gave the new GNR: Fatty Magee and the Guys Who Aren't Slash.
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GPFontaine
Joined: Dec 06 2007
Location: Connecticut
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Today I got home and put the CD into my stereo system. Time for a real evaluation of this disk.
I sat down on my couch, put my feet up and cranked the volume up to 60 (a nice loud volume that my wife would not approve of if she was home).
Riad N' The Bedouins just finished up and I can say that so far this has been one of the best albums I have ever sat down and just listened to.
To anyone who owns a good stereo, I urge you to listen to this and just sit back and relax.
Of note... my cell phone has a shitty camera on it. I really need to get a better one.
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Optimist With Doubts
Title: Titlating
Joined: Dec 17 2007
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those are some damn styling socks
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Syd Lexia
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| Burt Reynolds wrote: |
| Awesome! Maybe they will go on tour with the Misfits, another band with almost no original members, writing poopy music and cashing in on the name. I liked the name Conan gave the new GNR: Fatty Magee and the Guys Who Aren't Slash. |
Conan O'Brien is damn hilarious. You know who else is funny? Tom Green and Chris Kattan. Oh wait, this isn't 1999? Nevermind.
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GPFontaine
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| those are some damn styling socks |
Gotta love Costco socks!
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Ross Rifle
Title: Rock N Roll God
Joined: Oct 29 2006
Location: Chilliwack, BC
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Wow Syd, you got really defensive there.
Though I agree, I lol'd when I heard someone refer to them as the Ginger Midget without the blond giant and Slash
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Syd Lexia
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Axl's fairly tall as I recall.
And Conan is played out. I grew bored with him when he started doing his bullshit Ahnold impressive where he just yells loud gibberish like an asshole. It's talentless pandering to the lowest common denominator and it deeply offends me. At this point in his career, he really is no better than Tom Green. These days, I laugh more during Leno than Conan, and that's sad.
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Burt Reynolds
Title: Bentley Bear
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| Syd Lexia wrote: |
| Burt Reynolds wrote: |
| Awesome! Maybe they will go on tour with the Misfits, another band with almost no original members, writing poopy music and cashing in on the name. I liked the name Conan gave the new GNR: Fatty Magee and the Guys Who Aren't Slash. |
Conan O'Brien is damn hilarious. You know who else is funny? Tom Green and Chris Kattan. Oh wait, this isn't 1999? Nevermind. |
Yeah, i was referring to an episode he did in 1999 when this bullshit album was supposed to come out. back when Buckethead was in the lineup.
In all seriousness, I listened to about half of the album, and it was OK, Axl has a distinct voice that can make a lot of more generic music sound unique. I just am bitter at old geezers trying to use an old name to sell new product. I think Axl has enough name recognition as it is to not have to call his band G&R. Afterall, Paul McCartney didn't use the beatles and still managed to sell tons of records despite the fact that 90% of his solo stuff was trash.
Also, Tom Green and Kris Kattan were never funny. Neither was Jackass.
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GPFontaine
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I laughed pretty damn hard at the Jackass movie.
It was stupid, but there were some very funny parts.
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JoshWoodzy
Joined: May 22 2008
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I don't post as often as I should, so here goes.
Chinese Democracy was pretty good. I was going into it with the attitude like "Axl has had all this time, it better be a fucking delicious album" and I came out thinking "Well, it could have been much more"
I was hoping for more of a stripped down rock and roll album, but you can't always get what you want. But again, I really liked it and can't blame him for experimenting a tad. I bet he had 60 songs written, and scrapped the majority for the most radio friendly. It's not like he's broke and needs the money so he can really do whatever the fuck he wants and people will buy it.
As far as the album pacing, I have heard people hate on it for being sporadic but I think the album tracks had a perfect flow.
Overall, if this were a GNR album with the original lineup (most band members would not have agreed with the song choices or guitar tone, drum fills, bass lines, etc.) it gets a 6.5 out of 10.
On an album on it's own merits, with Axl at the helm of the creative process with obvious input from a few other people, it gets a 8.5 out of 10.
I will brace for hateful responses and or praise.
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Ross Rifle
Title: Rock N Roll God
Joined: Oct 29 2006
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Yeah, I had a bit of an issue with the pacing and such at first, but when you reach the point where you know every song well enough to have it memorized, the pacing makes a LOT of sense.
And I agree with your rating. This is a substandard original line-up album, but if you consider this like an Axl solo album (which for all intents and purposes, it is), this album is incredible.
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JStrangiato
Title: El Hombre Strangiato
Joined: Jun 12 2007
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I just noticed a funny coincidence. There's a track on CD called "There was a Time." Syd's November Rain article from way back when starts off with "There was a time... "
Odd indeed.
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GPFontaine
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| ross_rifle113 wrote: |
Yeah, I had a bit of an issue with the pacing and such at first, but when you reach the point where you know every song well enough to have it memorized, the pacing makes a LOT of sense.
And I agree with your rating. This is a substandard original line-up album, but if you consider this like an Axl solo album (which for all intents and purposes, it is), this album is incredible. |
I have listened to it about a dozen times now. It becomes better the more you listen to it and get a feel for the track order.
What I can agree with is that the pace of the album shifted after the first three songs. Not that it is a bad thing, it just felt like an odd shift.
I consider this to be an Axl solo project, no different than Slash's Snakepit. It doesn't sound like GNR in any way other than the vocalist's voice. THIS IS OK!
Once you can just listen to it for what it is, it starts to sound a lot better
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Syd Lexia
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| joshwoodzell wrote: |
| I bet he had 60 songs written, and scrapped the majority for the most radio friendly. It's not like he's broke and needs the money so he can really do whatever the fuck he wants and people will buy it. |
According to Sebastian Bach, Axl supposedly he DOES have about 60 songs written and he will be releasing two more albums by the end of 2012.
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JoshWoodzy
Joined: May 22 2008
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Wow, interesting. If that is the case, then I bet the next 2 albums will be sweeter. I doubt he would take the best of the bunch just for this album.
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GPFontaine
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| Syd Lexia wrote: |
| joshwoodzell wrote: |
| I bet he had 60 songs written, and scrapped the majority for the most radio friendly. It's not like he's broke and needs the money so he can really do whatever the fuck he wants and people will buy it. |
According to Sebastian Bach, Axl supposedly he DOES have about 60 songs written and he will be releasing two more albums by the end of 2012. |
This is awesome. I'll be able to listen to the next album at my first child's bar/bat mitzva and then be able to hear the following one when they have kids of their own!
GNR will be a current name for the next 50 years!
Of course this is based on the fact that Axl promised Chinese Democracy every year since the Spaghetti pile O' shit came out.
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ReeperTheSeeker
Joined: Aug 26 2007
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I want this album now. I said i'd get it and i will. I'd ask santa for it but then again he might think "I want Chinese Democracy" might be too big of a feat for even him. Nah, i'll asked him for twin hooker that never been used . . . again.
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Duncan
Title: Misanthrope
Joined: May 18 2007
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This I love is a really amazing song. In the same mold of November Rain, tempered by age.
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