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scamrock
Title: Space Bastard
Joined: Jan 26 2008
Location: Planet Druidia
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| I like long drawn out historical documentaries that take all damn day to watch. |
I DVR'd Who Wrote the Bible?. I know it was at least 3 hours.
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docinsano
Title: Boner King
Joined: Jan 08 2008
Location: Mpls Mini Soda
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How are books internal? Because you actually have to use your imagination? TV shows and movies are on paper before they're on the screen so I negate your argument. All that's different is that it is translated through actors and shown on stage or film. It's just a different way of expressing the same thing.
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DarkMaze
Joined: Feb 24 2006
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TV is the medium for the best stories to be told. Fuck commercialism, advertising, and marketing for ruining art.
TV forever. |
Um... Tebor, buddy, what are you on? TV is about selling commercial time. Or product placement in TV shows. And selling candy to kids.
And 1-900 numbers.
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docinsano
Title: Boner King
Joined: Jan 08 2008
Location: Mpls Mini Soda
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And selling prescription drugs to old people who piss their pants and forget all the time.
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Tebor
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Title: Master of the Universe
Joined: Aug 22 2005
Location: Gotham City
Posts: 6088
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| DarkMaze wrote: |
| Tebor wrote: |
TV is the medium for the best stories to be told. Fuck commercialism, advertising, and marketing for ruining art.
TV forever. |
Um... Tebor, buddy, what are you on? TV is about selling commercial time. Or product placement in TV shows. And selling candy to kids.
And 1-900 numbers. |
1-900 numbers!? That's sooooooooooooooooooo 90s.
And Deadwood*, Entourage, Dexter, Curb Your Enthusiasm, and shit load of other shows I don't watch, but I bring up only because HBO, Showtime, and Cinemax are keeping it real.
Just kidding.
Look, as Stephen King says: TV giveth, TV taketh away. Now, he was referring to gore, but it also goes for stories. TV allows you to tell the longest stories possible in a visual, auditory, and imaginative medium. Books are only imaginative. Audio books are auditory and imaginative. Comic books are only visual. Movies cover all three, but are too short (or in the case of Tarkovsky Truffaut too long). If that comes at a cost of 20 minutes of ads I can TIVO past or mute, it's worth it. FUCK the man -- DVD forever.
Example: 24 season 5 - 1048 minutes. That's the running time. Beat that. Beat that with your "commercialism". And guess what? It's preserved on DVD after the initial premium cost of commercials when it airs FOR FREE. That's right, TV is FREE. If that comes at a cost of commercials -- Wait, fuck you. You misread my post.
What my original post said is that TV IS THE BEST MEDIUM for storytelling. It is corrupted by advertising and fuck you if that went over your head (and fuck me for not remembering what I meant until half way through responding).
Okay, congrats, I just fucking over explained the most SIMPLE post ever written.
What am I on? Obviously the truth.
Yes, smartass I know Deadwood is canceled.
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DarkMaze
Joined: Feb 24 2006
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Haha, I do know what you meant, I was just giving you a hard time.
TV just needs bigger budgets to do its thing. It's tough to watch them ALMOST get to movie quality only to be held back by stuff like cheap sets and not being able to show the baddie or futuristic city.
24 is a bad example though, because it sucks. 
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Tebor
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Title: Master of the Universe
Joined: Aug 22 2005
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And yet more inspiring than The Wire and The Shield. I take solace in that.
And I think we all agree Sleeper Cell sucks.
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Burt Reynolds
Title: Bentley Bear
Joined: Apr 07 2008
Location: California
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I'm with Tebor, and I go one step further. With the invention of DVR, Television is the most wonderful medium for storytelling. At least with TV/DVR you can skip past the advertising, unlike in cinema when it's incorporated not so seamlessly into the movie, forcing the advertisement down your throat and distracting from the story.
Actually, the internet is the best medium because it's on demand and all inclusive.
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DarkMaze
Joined: Feb 24 2006
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| Burt Reynolds wrote: |
| At least with TV/DVR you can skip past the advertising, unlike in cinema when it's incorporated not so seamlessly into the movie, forcing the advertisement down your throat and distracting from the story. |
Uh yeah, 'cause they're not doing that in TV... 
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docinsano
Title: Boner King
Joined: Jan 08 2008
Location: Mpls Mini Soda
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| DarkMaze wrote: |
| Or product placement in TV shows. . |
Product placement in TV and movies sometimes gets nauseating. Back in the day the cans had to be placed in such a way so you couldn't see the brand name or altered somehow. For example, a pepsi can may have been altered to say popsi or something. Nowadays, it's too obvious and annoying, being too much like an advertisement.
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DarkMaze
Joined: Feb 24 2006
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You're talking about two totally different things. "Greeking" a product so that you can't see the brand name is the opposite of product placement. You do that so that you don't get sued for misusing another company's logo, trademark, etc. without permission.
With product placement, the companies PAY to have their products displayed prominently. And we can thank Steven Spielberg for starting that in E.T.
In Stanley Kubrick's much earlier film 2001: A Space Odyssey (and in Soviet Russia), the filmmakers paid the companies to use their brand names (PanAm, Bell Telephone) to add verisimilitude.
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Tebor
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Title: Master of the Universe
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My favorite in show advertising was the aired version of "The Office" episode "The Merger" where Kevin was given documents to shred with his Staples paper shredder. He later made a salad with it.
Alas, these scenes were NOT included in the iTunes nor DVD versions of the episode. It might have been advertising, but they were damn funny.
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Dii Infer
Title: Boobie Engineer
Joined: Jun 01 2007
Location: Texas
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My family is thinking about cancelling our cable service to save money and because we rarely watch TV. There are only like 3 shows that I would miss if we actually cancel it, so whatever. I agree with the OP. Fuck television!
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MOGHARR
Title: The Original CandyWafer
Joined: Apr 05 2007
Location: Under Jolly Roger
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| My family is thinking about cancelling our cable service to save money and because we rarely watch TV. There are only like 3 shows that I would miss if we actually cancel it, so whatever. I agree with the OP. Fuck television! |
Same here, but I'm gonna miss TNA. No matter how bad my week is, i know I'm gonna get to see Curry Man dance on Thursday.
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detective jon kimble
Title: IM DETECTIVE JON KIMBLE
Joined: Sep 02 2008
Location: Reading KICK ASS
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tvs dead to me ive only watched like really watched the cooking channel recently cuz i was bored but other than that i dont watch tv only movies ond then mostly older ones
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Tebor
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Title: Master of the Universe
Joined: Aug 22 2005
Location: Gotham City
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| Dii Infer wrote: |
| My family is thinking about cancelling our cable service to save money and because we rarely watch TV. There are only like 3 shows that I would miss if we actually cancel it, so whatever. I agree with the OP. Fuck television! |
Most television is online now, so I would support that decision.
Looking at the Oscar film potentials coming up later this year... TV is still better than anything else out there.
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