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Banned Joined: Sep 13 2008 Posts: 3129

So a few weeks ago we got these fingerprinting things. They take are fingerprints and put it into a system that better helps find you if you've been kidnapped.

Some people (including me) didn't do it for fear of having our fingerprints on any record. Those kids that didn't got points deducted from whatever class we got the kit in

That's a big pile of shit

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Posted: Apr 30 2009 12:24 pm

Why would you be afraid of having your fingerprints on record?

Posted: Apr 30 2009 12:28 pm

I actually agree with him. I don't see why I should have to surrender any personal info just because the government think it "might come in handy."

Social Security #'s and stuff like that are different, but I draw the line at them taking pieces of me to keep on record.

Joined: Oct 12 2007 Posts: 821

It is kind of an invasion of privacy. Yes, in theory if you don't do anything, you have nothing to worry about, but it makes you feel like a criminal.

Posted: Apr 30 2009 12:38 pm

We got fingerprinted in either first grade or kindergarten. It was "fun".

Posted: Apr 30 2009 12:42 pm

My last two jobs required being fingerprinted as a condition of employment, and if I stay with my current job I will need to be fingerprinted again every five years. I personally don't consider it an invasion of privacy.

Posted: Apr 30 2009 12:44 pm

Syd Lexia wrote:

We got fingerprinted in either first grade or kindergarten. It was "fun".

This. I was also fingerprinted when I worked for the post office, like all goverment employees.

Posted: Apr 30 2009 12:47 pm

jackfrost wrote:

My last two jobs required being fingerprinted as a condition of employment, and if I stay with my current job I will need to be fingerprinted again every five years. I personally don't consider it an invasion of privacy.

I have no problem with an employer requiring it, being that working there is optional. But in the scenario above it sounds like they're essentially forcing it on people.

Posted: Apr 30 2009 01:11 pm

People usually don't wan't to be fingerprinted on the assumption that someday for some reason they may end up criminals or assasins, and want to be at least one step ahead of the popo.

Posted: Apr 30 2009 01:14 pm

Do you they fingerprint children just so they can identify their bodies if they're kidnapped, raped, and murdered?

Banned Joined: Sep 13 2008 Posts: 3129

The fingerprinting was mainly for kidnapping. I didn't do it because I may someday break the law and I don't want to be able to bee identified if they search for fingerprints

Title: Title: Title: Title Joined: Sep 18 2008 Posts: 258

Personally I think you deserved the deduction in class points. The school required something from you that wasn't really that big of a deal and you decided to be rebellious. You get no sympathy here.

hacker wrote:

The fingerprinting was mainly for kidnapping. I didn't do it because I may someday break the law and I don't want to be able to bee identified if they search for fingerprints

I forgot who I was talking to. The mean street 15 year old thug who trolls a nostalgia based forum community. Raaawr.

Posted: Apr 30 2009 01:57 pm

hacker wrote:

The fingerprinting was mainly for kidnapping. I didn't do it because I may someday break the law and I don't want to be able to bee identified if they search for fingerprints

Yeah... hardcore graffitti artist here is afraid of getting ID'd because he used a marker on a window...
Government and state jobs require you to get your finger prints done, and if they offer it for free up here at my college I'll do it because I'm against such badasses... or in otherwords I wanna be DEA or a State Trooper Cool

Posted: Apr 30 2009 02:26 pm

At this juncture in the discourse, I'd like to point out that this issue has nothing to do with whether or not the American education system is failing.

Actually, I guess it does. This topic proves that most teenagers would rather watch that idiotic "Zeitgeist" garbage than read their textbooks.

Posted: Apr 30 2009 02:31 pm

Can you changed the topic name? I mean I look at it and it doesn't really prove that it school systems are fail, it just proves that Hacker is in his Teen Angst period.

Docinsano's Channel 63 · Posted: Apr 30 2009 02:40 pm

I no longer have fingerprints. I burned them off in a long painful removal process.

Posted: Apr 30 2009 02:45 pm

I was under the impression that fingerprint identification really isn't as infallible as detective shows make it out to be. From what I understand, the requirements for a "match" between sets of prints varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, and there isn't even an exact science to it. It's just a guy with a magnifying glass sitting there comparing them, and if he decides it's a match, you're guilty as charged. (Obviously there is a technique to it, but it's essentially the same techniques they've been using for decades)

I'm certainly not involved in any form of law enforcement though, so if I'm dead wrong on this feel free to flame.[/i]

UsaSatsui's Youtube Channel · Posted: Apr 30 2009 03:22 pm

No, this shouldn't be done unless there's parental consent involved here. This is a pretty serious invasion of privacy, and minors don't have the legal ability to consent to it.

Ice2, fingerprint identification is done mainly with computers now. It looks for similar patterns and points them out. And it never has been completely infallible, nor is it an automatic guilty. It's simply very strong evidence that you handled the item in question. You need more for a conviction. Really, it's more useful for excluding someone (if those aren't your prints, you never touched the object).

Posted: Apr 30 2009 04:11 pm

Yeah, it's done with computers now. Computers make it much less fallible, but rarely do you ever find full prints at a crime scene. You get a partial print, which usually leads a good match.

Joined: Oct 12 2007 Posts: 821

Syd Lexia wrote:

This topic proves that most teenagers would rather watch that idiotic "Zeitgeist" garbage than read their textbooks.

Yeahhhhh, there is no real coloration here. I understand if you don't like the guy, even though I think he is pretty smart. But seriously, these two ideas have nothing to do with each other, especially since his movies aren't geared towards kids. It would show that kids would rather mindless copy stuff off the internet however.

Also, hacker, saying you think you might be a criminal one day is stupid. I may agree with the whole finger printing thing is an invasion of privacy, but your reasoning for it is terrible and if anything, is an argument for having your finger print taken.

Posted: Apr 30 2009 05:13 pm

Well, "Zeitgeist" more or less ends with the suggestion that the government that wants to put computer chips in your arms so that it can track you at all times and punish you accordingly should you choose to speak out against it in any way.

It is that very sort of baseless paranoid nonsense that has hacker all scared about having his fingerprints on file.

UsaSatsui's Youtube Channel · Posted: Apr 30 2009 05:49 pm

For crap's sake, just wear gloves when you commit your damn crimes. Is that so hard?

Posted: Apr 30 2009 06:17 pm

Legally, the school can't affect yours marks based on something that isn't in the curriculum. So unless fingerprinting is part of your class curriculum, get your parents to bring it to the school board and watch how fast your mark is changed back. Unless, the school wants to break the law themselves of course.

Title: Titlating Joined: Dec 17 2007 Posts: 5042

I'm all in favor of printing you never know what will pop up

Posted: Apr 30 2009 11:20 pm

Fingerprinting = Invasion of Privacy? How exactly? There is nothing invasive about fingerprinting, I'm sorry. How exactly could the government use it against you if you didn't do anything wrong. If the government is that evil they would just throw you in jail without any reason. The 1984 impresssion of the U.S. government is annoying to me. Freedoms are not being infringed upon, and if they are watching you there is a reason for it. The NSA does not have enough employees to watch every citizen in the U.S.. They watch the people that should be watched. And if you want to be a criminal, they will get the fingerprints eventually. You get your fingerprints taken whenever you are locked up, and unless you are a master criminal you will be locked up eventually. If they made a law requiring every citizen to give a DNA and fingerprint sample I would support it. It is for the greater good, and the only people that would be hurt by the law are criminals. Sorry, I just don't think that such things are invasions of privacy.