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Avian
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PostPosted: May 23 2008 02:00 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I'm looking to get something on the larger side, at least 46 inches. I'm undecided between Plasma and LCD.

My primary use for it will be playing videogames and watching DVD's (I don't watch much TV). I know that plasmas are a little cheaper and have better color, but LCD's don't have the burn-in risk.

Another question I'd like an answer for.......I know that Pioneer, Samsung and Panasonic are among the most highly regarded brands, but what about some of the others you see, such as Olevia or Westinghouse? They are often several hundred dollars cheaper. Is it really worth the extra money for the better brand name, or are these adequate?


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PostPosted: May 23 2008 04:21 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Avian wrote:
I'm looking to get something on the larger side, at least 46 inches. I'm undecided between Plasma and LCD.

My primary use for it will be playing videogames and watching DVD's (I don't watch much TV). I know that plasmas are a little cheaper and have better color, but LCD's don't have the burn-in risk.

Another question I'd like an answer for.......I know that Pioneer, Samsung and Panasonic are among the most highly regarded brands, but what about some of the others you see, such as Olevia or Westinghouse? They are often several hundred dollars cheaper. Is it really worth the extra money for the better brand name, or are these adequate?


I have a 42" sony LCD and I love it, great for movies, and when looking at the other tv's, I thought it looked better than the plasma's and some toher LCD's.


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PostPosted: May 23 2008 04:30 pm Reply with quote Back to top

anorexorcist wrote:
Avian wrote:
I'm looking to get something on the larger side, at least 46 inches. I'm undecided between Plasma and LCD.

My primary use for it will be playing videogames and watching DVD's (I don't watch much TV). I know that plasmas are a little cheaper and have better color, but LCD's don't have the burn-in risk.

Another question I'd like an answer for.......I know that Pioneer, Samsung and Panasonic are among the most highly regarded brands, but what about some of the others you see, such as Olevia or Westinghouse? They are often several hundred dollars cheaper. Is it really worth the extra money for the better brand name, or are these adequate?


I have a 42" sony LCD and I love it, great for movies, and when looking at the other tv's, I thought it looked better than the plasma's and some toher LCD's.


I have actually noticed that about Sony's too......they always seem to be the best looking one on display. I don't know if that's because of the factory settings, or if it's really the best TV. They tend to be on the more expensive side, though.


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PostPosted: May 23 2008 04:41 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Avian wrote:
I'm looking to get something on the larger side, at least 46 inches. I'm undecided between Plasma and LCD.

My primary use for it will be playing videogames and watching DVD's (I don't watch much TV). I know that plasmas are a little cheaper and have better color, but LCD's don't have the burn-in risk.

Another question I'd like an answer for.......I know that Pioneer, Samsung and Panasonic are among the most highly regarded brands, but what about some of the others you see, such as Olevia or Westinghouse? They are often several hundred dollars cheaper. Is it really worth the extra money for the better brand name, or are these adequate?

The thing is when you go to a store to buy one, they have their own feed that they are putting into the TV's and all the settings are whatever they leave them at. I have a Maxent 42' Plasma, which is definitly not a Mainstream Brand Name, but it looked nice compared to a Sony LCD, which was $1000 more expensive, I've had mine for 3 years. I really like it.

I wouldn't worry about the burn in risk that much. I left a Family Guy DVD on for upwards of 8 hours and when I woke up Stewie was burnt into the screen, I was pissed, but then after a couple hours it went away, haven't seen it since. That was when I first got it.

If a TV boasts 1080I or P, its pretty much a set resolution, what REALLY effects it is the connection you use. HDMI is a hell of a lot better then, Component Cables IMO.

If your still uneasy about what choice to make check out a Consumer Reports Guide. But then again I find those to be pretty biased. A generic TV is going to do what the normal ones do, they just don't usally look as pretty on the outside, not the picture the actual case of the TV. More expensive doesn't always mean better.


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Plasma vs LCD is a hard battle to pick a side. There are pros and cons to both. The only real difference when deciding is based on size.

They don't make Plasmas under 40", so if you want smaller you have to get a LCD. If you want something like a 60", then a Plasma would be alot cheaper than the same sized LCD.

LCD HDTV displays will have a higher resolution per same size comparison than plasma. The lowest resolution of a 40 inch LCD will be 1366 X 768 - easily full HD resolution in 1080i or 720p. A 42 inch HD plasma has a resolution of 1024 X 768. While this is not truly an HD resolution, it's close enough so that it's difficult to know the difference. A 50 inch plasma TV will have a resolution of 1366 X 768, while a 45 inch LCD displays 1920 X 1080 (1080P) resolution.

Those extra pixels and the production process of LCD HDTVs cost more money to produce. Expect to pay a third as much more for a similar size LCD TV than a plasma display.

The best way to pick? Choose a size, then compare them in person, and pick the one that looks best to YOU.

I'm not sure what Douche was trying to say when he said:
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If a TV boasts 1080I or P, its pretty much a set resolution, what REALLY effects it is the connection you use. HDMI is a hell of a lot better then, Component Cables IMO.


There is a difference between 1080i, and 1080p:

Movies (and most TV shows) are shot at 24 frames per second (either on film or on 24-frame-per-second HD cameras). Every TV sold in the United States has a refresh rate of 60 hertz. This means that the screen refreshes 60 times per second. In order to display 24-frame-per-second content on a display that essentially shows 60 frames per second, you need to make up or create new frames. This is accomplished by a method called 3:2 pulldown (or, more accurately, 2:3 pulldown). It doubles the first frame of film, triples the second frame, doubles the third frame, and so on, creating a 2-3-2-3-2-3 sequence. (Check out Figure 1 for a more colorful depiction.) So, the new frames don't have new information; they are just duplicates of the original film frames. This process converts 24-frame-per-second film to be displayed on a 60-Hz display.

HD DVD and Blu-ray content is 1080p/24. If your player outputs a 60-Hz signal (that is, one that your TV can display), the player is adding (creating) the 3:2 sequence. So, whether you output 1080i or 1080p, it is still inherently the same information. The only difference is in whether the player interlaces it and your TV deinterlaces it, or if the player just sends out the 1080p signal directly. If the TV correctly deinterlaces 1080i, then there should be no visible difference between deinterlaced 1080i and direct 1080p (even with that extra step). There is no new information—nor is there more resolution, as some people think. This is because, as you can see in Figure 1, there is no new information with the progressive signal. It's all based on the same original 24 frames per second.

In the case of Samsung's BD-P1000 Blu-ray player, the player interlaces the image and then deinterlaces it to create 1080p. So, you get that step regardless.

Two caveats: Other Blu-ray players can output 1080p/24. If your TV can accept 1080p/24, then it is adding the 3:2 sequence, unless it is one of the very few TVs that can change its refresh rate. Pioneer plasmas can change their refresh rate to 72 Hz, and they do a simple 3:3 pulldown (showing each film frame three times). This looks slightly less jerky.

If you're a gamer, then there is a difference, as 1080p/60 from a computer can be 60 different frames per second (instead of 24 different frames per second doubled and tripled, as with movie content). It is unlikely that native 1080p/60 content will ever be broadcast or distributed in wide numbers.
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PostPosted: May 23 2008 07:49 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Knyte wrote:
Plasma vs LCD is a hard battle to pick a side. There are pros and cons to both. The only real difference when deciding is based on size.

They don't make Plasmas under 40", so if you want smaller you have to get a LCD. If you want something like a 60", then a Plasma would be alot cheaper than the same sized LCD.

LCD HDTV displays will have a higher resolution per same size comparison than plasma. The lowest resolution of a 40 inch LCD will be 1366 X 768 - easily full HD resolution in 1080i or 720p. A 42 inch HD plasma has a resolution of 1024 X 768. While this is not truly an HD resolution, it's close enough so that it's difficult to know the difference. A 50 inch plasma TV will have a resolution of 1366 X 768, while a 45 inch LCD displays 1920 X 1080 (1080P) resolution.

Those extra pixels and the production process of LCD HDTVs cost more money to produce. Expect to pay a third as much more for a similar size LCD TV than a plasma display.

The best way to pick? Choose a size, then compare them in person, and pick the one that looks best to YOU.

I'm not sure what Douche was trying to say when he said:
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If a TV boasts 1080I or P, its pretty much a set resolution, what REALLY effects it is the connection you use. HDMI is a hell of a lot better then, Component Cables IMO.


There is a difference between 1080i, and 1080p:

I have a problem with your post, my 42' Plasma has a resolution of 1920X1080, and it's older then new ones, so not sure if it still holds true. I was saying that if a TV boasts 1080P or 1080I the difference between two sets with the same resolution, should be nil being that they are both of the same type. (Plasma and LCD)


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PostPosted: May 23 2008 07:58 pm Reply with quote Back to top

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Knyte wrote:
I have a problem with your post, my 42' Plasma has a resolution of 1920X1080, and it's older then new ones, so not sure if it still holds true. I was saying that if a TV boasts 1080P or 1080I the difference between two sets with the same resolution, should be nil being that they are both of the same type. (Plasma and LCD)


I belive your right, after doing some more price checking online. A year or two ago, this is what I found to be the case when I was shopping around.

Also, the main difference in connections:

Component, (ie the 5 RCA plugs: Red, Blue, Green, Red audio, White Audio) can carry a maximum resolution of 1080i/720p.

HDMI and DVI are the only cables that support full 1080p. Also, HDMI, has the audio encluded in it as well, instead of seperate plugs.
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Where the hell is a Sam's Club?

Must be an east coast thing.
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http://www2.samsclub.com/clublocator/?est=19


...or order it through the website.


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PostPosted: May 23 2008 08:23 pm Reply with quote Back to top

"There is not a club within 50 miles of your search criteria."

And, shipping would be an extra $150.

Good price though. Another good place to look is Newegg.com. Alot of thier HDTVs have free shipping to your door.
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where the fuck do you live, new jersey?


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Oregon. Hence, why I asked if Sam's Club was an East coast store.
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Yeah, I just looked it up under wiki. It appears that Costco is the West Coast equivilent.
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no. costco and sams club are rivals. sams club is actually linked with walmart. i have memberships to both.

Btw i thought this thread was about avians sexual encounters gone awry.
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The weird thing is that Costco and Sam's Club have the exact same freaking layout color scheme, and pizza cafeteria. The only difference I've been able to detect between them is the name.

On the subject of TV's I recomend you go with a brand name you can trust, like Sorny, or Magnetbox.



 
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PostPosted: May 23 2008 08:45 pm Reply with quote Back to top

vizio is one of the highest selling brands as it has affordable options and good quality.


alot of the diff in costco and sams clubis in what brands they carry.
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PostPosted: May 23 2008 09:56 pm Reply with quote Back to top

erock wrote:
vizio is one of the highest selling brands as it has affordable options and good quality.


alot of the diff in costco and sams clubis in what brands they carry.

yeah, aside from the brands, its the same thing.

i have a costco closer to where i live so thats where we usually go.


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I would go with an LCD personally. Plasma = plain in the ass down the road.

Also, LCD's are alot cheaper right now anyways.


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Blackout Boy wrote:
The weird thing is that Costco and Sam's Club have the exact same freaking layout color scheme, and pizza cafeteria. The only difference I've been able to detect between them is the name.

On the subject of TV's I recomend you go with a brand name you can trust, like Sorny, or Magnetbox.


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PostPosted: May 24 2008 02:08 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Thanks for all the info guys, I'll consider it all while I'm out shopping around today.


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Avian wrote:
Thanks for all the info guys, I'll consider it all while I'm out shopping around today.

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PostPosted: May 25 2008 07:13 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Me again guys, didn't buy anything yet.

I was wondering if someone could tell me what other types of things am I going to need when I buy this TV? I know I'll need a cabinet/tray to put it on, a nice surge protector and probably some nice cables. Is there anything else I'm forgetting that will run up the bill even higher?


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