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JonSnow Vs. Science


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Tebor
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PostPosted: Dec 20 2006 02:31 am Reply with quote Back to top

JEW wrote:
pfft. it was relevant. I even cited my references!

Normally, this is where I'd say: "Nice. Cool " But you're missing a line that says:

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I grabbed whatever was on wikipedia and pasted it.

But eh, we all know where it's from and no one's going to report it... right? Megaman

EDIT: This post has become irrelevant.
EDIT EDIT: Jew, thank you for saving the galaxy for just a little longer... until my galactic genocide campaign begins. Twisted Evil


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8341 unread forum updates since I left (2/7/14)... Uh-oh.
 
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PostPosted: Dec 20 2006 02:42 am Reply with quote Back to top

I took my inital post down on your behalf.

I don't want the blood of all those jedi on my hands.


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PostPosted: Jan 08 2007 07:34 pm Reply with quote Back to top

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I don't worry about this sort of thing. If you found out there was no free will, would you suddenly become a passenger to your own body? What if you were destined to go to McDonald's, and like the food there? Does it make it any less tasty?


Well it brings up intersting question.. Like can you really like something? What is love if it isn't an expression fo your will and desire toward another invididual if it's merely a chemical reaction forced upon you... that could just as easily turn.. do you really care for your relatives or are you just programmed to?

And we can also question morality... What is morality if we don't have free will... If i kill somebody well i was forced to kill somebody... if you're going to blame me, then blame a tree for falling on somebody...

What does it mean to value you something.. what does it matter if you value it? it's just an illusion of you valuing it.. you don't really value it you're forced to value it... you don't really love peolpel you're forced to... if you kill somebody, you had too.. and that sense of sadness is just some chemical reaction in teh brain nothing more, it's not as if you'r ereally sad, it could of just as easily been a happy feelign there....



I don't have an exact defintion of what matter or energy is..only that condensing energy turns into matter...

And sorry for the caps... It's not a good way to type in general, and is especailly hard on the eyes in this font.


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PostPosted: Jan 08 2007 07:36 pm Reply with quote Back to top

It took you 2 weeks to come up with that argument?

Oh, well, Welcome Back, Kotter.


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PostPosted: Jan 08 2007 08:57 pm Reply with quote Back to top

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welcome_back_kotter

Welcome Back, Kotter was an American television sitcom that originally aired on the ABC network from 1975 to 1979.

The title character, Gabe Kotter (Gabriel Kaplan), plays a wise-cracking teacher who returns to the same high school from which he graduated - James Buchanan High in Brooklyn, New York - to teach an often unruly group of remedial students known as the "Sweathogs."

The main Sweathogs consisted of:

* Vinnie Barbarino (John Travolta), the handsome Italian-American leader;
* Juan Epstein (Robert Hegyes), a tough Puerto Rican Jew;
* Freddie "Boom Boom" Washington (Lawrence Hilton-Jacobs), the hip African-American basketball enthusiast; and
* Arnold Horshack (Ron Palillo), the dimwitted simpleton known for his wheezing laugh.

Kotter had attended the same remedial classes when he was at school and was one of the founding member of the Sweathogs. Kotter soon befriends his students who often visit his apartment, sometimes to the chagrin of his wife, Julie (Marcia Strassman).

In Season 1 (before being drafted to co-star in "Mary Hartman Mary Hartman") Debralee Scott played the blazen-haired fem-fatale "Hotsie Totsie", said to have helped put the sweat in "Sweathog".

The eternally grumpy Sweathog-hating Mr. Woodman (John Sylvester White) was Vice-Principal (later Principal). Woodman had an open aversion to Kotter's class, which he considered a drain on resources.

The show was based on Kaplan's real-life experiences as a remedial high school student in Brooklyn.

Welcome Back, Kotter began its run amid controversy.

* In Boston, the local ABC affiliate (WCVB) refused to air the show. The city was going though a tumultuous school busing program to enhance racial equality and the local affilliate felt Kotter's fictional integrated classroom would only add fuel to the fire. However, the show became an early ratings success and the affiliate relented, picking it up from its fifth episode.
* Meanwhile, teachers had concerns about how Kotter would be portrayed, so producers allowed a union representative on the set to ensure the show protected the image of those in the profession.
* There were also concerns that the show would celebrate juvenile delinquency. However, these sentiments faded after the Sweathogs' antics proved to be silly rather than scary. Like Kaplan, Hegyes was a fan of the Marx Brothers. Hegyes claims that he suggested that the Sweathogs be modelled after the Marx Bros in order to reduce tension.[1]

The show enjoyed ratings success during its first two seasons, spawning a host of merchandising tie-ins such as:

* lunch boxes,
* dolls,
* comic books,
* novels and
* a board game.

The characters' signature lines became catch phrases such as Barbarino's "up your nose with a rubber hose" and Washington's "hi there". It wasn't long before the previously unknown actors became hot commodities, particularly Travolta, the show's breakout star.

By the third season, the ratings began to slip. In an interview years later, Kaplan attributed the decline to the age of the actors playing the Sweathogs (Palillo was 30, Hegyes was 28, Hilton-Jacobs was 27 and Travolta was 25), saying they were no longer believable as high school students. His idea was that to have Kotter join the faculty of a community college attended by the Sweathogs.[verification needed] However, this storyline never materialized. To help lure more viewers, the Kotters had twin girls, but this didn't prove to be enough to regain the show's earlier momentum.

Major changes took place in the fourth and final season:

* Travolta, who had already starred in box office hits such as Grease and Saturday Night Fever, began to focus more time on his film career. He was featured in fewer than half of that year's episodes and was billed a "special guest star".
* Meanwhile, behind-the-scenes disputes led to limited appearances by Kaplan. To help fill the voids, Stephen Shortridge joined the cast as smooth-talking Southerner Beau De Labarre, and Kotter's wife, Julie, becomes a substitute teacher at the school.

It was also during the fourth season that Mr. Woodman receives a promotion to Principal with Kotter becoming Vice Principal. As a result, the show's focus moved away from Kotter's now infamous Social Studies class. Most fans consider the fourth season to have been the show's worst, often singling out Travolta's departure as the point when the show "jumped the shark."

Kotter failed to receive any major awards. The show was nominated for an Emmy Award for Outstanding Comedy Series in 1976 after its first season, but lost to Mary Tyler Moore. Kotter was also nominated for three technical Emmy Awards: Outstanding Achievement in Videotape Editing for a Series in 1976, Outstanding Art Direction for a Comedy Series in 1978 and Outstanding Individual Achievement - Creative Technical Crafts (Dick Wilson) in 1979.

Several noteworthy performers enjoyed guest stints on Kotter either during or prior to their widespread fame. James Woods guest starred in the second episode portraying a drama teacher. Pat Morita, best known for his role as Mr. Miyagi in The Karate Kid series, appeared in the first episode of the second season. Legendary comedian George Carlin was featured, as was John Astin (Gomez on The Addams Family television series). Other guest stars included Ellen Travolta (John Travolta's sister), Richard Moll (Baliff Bull Shannon on Night Court), Della Reese (Touched By An Angel) and Dinah Manoff (Empty Nest).

Groucho Marx himself was set to have a brief walk-on role in one episode. He arrived on-set, but was deemed to be too sick to appear. Pictures of Marx with the cast were taken, but were never released because of his ill appearance.

At least three spin-offs of Kotter were seriously considered, but only one ever became a series. The short-lived Mr. T and Tina starred Pat Morita as Taro Takahashi (Mr. T for short), a brilliant Japanese inventor whom he portrayed in one episode of Kotter. The show was not received well by critics and lasted just five episodes on ABC. There was also talk of developing a spin-off built around the Horshack character and his family, but it never went beyond the backdoor pilot stage, shown as an episode of "Kotter". In the mid-1990s, Hegyes announced on the Jenny Jones talk show that plans were in the works to create a spin-off featuring the Sweathogs (minus Travolta's Barbarino) all grown up. The project, however, never got off the ground, and little information about it was ever made public.

Following the 1979 cancellation, the stars enjoyed varying degrees of success. After several strong showings, Travolta's film career took a nosedive until 1994's Pulp Fiction revived his status as a strong box office draw. Kaplan made a few comedic films and television guest appearances, but began to focus on investments and a passion for professional poker. He has, however, returned to his stand-up comedy roots in recent years. Hegyes continued acting in movies and on television, where he landed a regular role on Cagney and Lacey on CBS. Palillo also appeared on television and in films, including a three-episode guest shot as himself on the ABC sitcom Ellen. In one of the Ellen episodes, Palillo expresses regret at how he is known almost exclusively for his role as Horshack. One of the episodes was entitled "Horshack's Law". Hilton-Jacobs found steady work in movies and television, including his role as the father of the Jackson musical family in the 1992 made-for-TV film, The Jacksons: An American Dream, and most notably as a bigoted police detective on the 1992 FOX TV series Alien Nation. With the exception of Travolta, none of the cast members ever regained the fame they enjoyed during the four-year run of Kotter.

When Travolta hosted Saturday Night Live in 1994, he appeared in a sketch that lampooned his old show. Quentin Tarantino's Welcome Back, Kotter gave viewers a humorous look at how the Pulp Fiction director might have brought a strong dose of violence to the tame show. Travolta reprised his old character, Barbarino, with Mike Myers as Mr. Kotter, Adam Sandler as Epstein, Tim Meadows as Washington and David Spade as Horshack.

The closest thing to a reunion show came in 1997, when Hegyes, Hilton-Jacobs and Palillo reprised their Sweathog roles on an episode of the short-lived NBC sitcom Mr. Rhodes. Kaplan did not appear; instead, actor John Kassir assumed the role of Mr. Kotter. The episode originally aired on February 3, 1997 and was entitled The Welcome Back Show.

Kotter enjoyed a renewed surge in popularity in the mid-1990s when it aired as part of the Nick at Nite lineup on Nickelodeon. Kaplan later said that the show found plenty of new fans during that run but that they were turned off by the quality of the episodes from the fourth season.

Cast members opened up about their experiences on the show in 2000's Welcome Back, Kotter: The E! True Hollywood Story. The two-hour program included interviews with cast members, including Kaplan, Travolta, Palillo, Hilton-Jacobs, Strassman and Shortridge. Kaplan spoke of a difficult relationship with executive producer James Komack, whom he saw as not serving the show's best interests. Like many viewers, Kaplan said the quality of the show dropped off in the fourth and final season. Hilton-Jacobs agreed, saying that the new writers brought in that year were not suited to a show of this nature. Palillo said the impact of an attempted ratings-grabber in the final season, Horshack's wedding, was derailed when President Jimmy Carter gave a televised speech that pre-empted the heavily advertised episode. Strassman recalled how disappointed she was at her limited time on camera, a situation that changed in the fourth season when her character became a substitute teacher at Buchanan High.

In 2003, as part of ABC's 50th Anniversary Celebration telecast, Kotter was featured in tribute montage and the original cast (except Travolta) appeared together on stage. Notably absent was White, who died of pancreatic cancer in 1988 at the age of 68.

Today, Kaplan calls the show a "period piece", which is evident given the dress worn by the characters (including bell bottoms), hairstyles (afros), language and references to then-current events (Washington exclaims in one episode, "President Ford wasn't elected").


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PostPosted: Jan 08 2007 10:44 pm Reply with quote Back to top

JonSnow wrote:
I don't have an exact defintion of what matter or energy is..only that condensing energy turns into matter...

Well since matter and energy are different which is crucial to your argument, it'd be good to know the difference.

Seriously, is this like an alternate account of someone used to stir trouble? We all were finally getting along, and now this guy comes back. If that's a coincidence, it's one of the worst ever (in relation to the forums)


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PostPosted: Jan 08 2007 10:45 pm Reply with quote Back to top

BACK IN BLACK! NOW, I'M BACK IN BLACK, OH!!!


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PostPosted: Jan 09 2007 01:12 am Reply with quote Back to top

I'm trying so hard not to post back in black lyrics.


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He's the spoon that stirs the drink of mirth in the hands of the alcoholic of conflict, passed out on the couch of disdain in the apartment of loathing, which is on the city block of despair, in SydLexia county.


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PostPosted: Jan 09 2007 09:51 am Reply with quote Back to top

"Your pain is the breaking of the shell that encloses your understanding. It is the bitter potion by which the physician within you heals your sick self. Therefore, trust the physician, and drink his remedy in silence and tranquility." -Kahlil Gibran.


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PostPosted: Jan 09 2007 10:35 am Reply with quote Back to top

I
AM TRYING
SO HARD
SO FUCKING HARD
AND
YOU
ARE MAKING
THIS VERY
VERY
DIFFICULT
FOR ME


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PostPosted: Jan 09 2007 05:38 pm Reply with quote Back to top

He's the monkey of distaste, throwing the turd of dirition at the elephant of calmness, killing it and making it fall on the mouse of petty squabble, which spews the guts of anger all over the hay of irritability.


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PostPosted: Jan 10 2007 05:27 am Reply with quote Back to top

>_<


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PostPosted: Jan 10 2007 09:31 am Reply with quote Back to top

He's the pill popper of addiction in the drugstore of nonconformity, across the street from the vacuum cleaner repair shop of insanity, which caters to the clientelle of perversion.


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