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Syd Lexia
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PostPosted: Sep 14 2010 06:48 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Mercyful Fate are influential. Metallica covered them and stuff.
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JRA
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PostPosted: Sep 15 2010 09:12 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
Mercyful Fate are influential. Metallica covered them and stuff.

If that's sarcasm, I'll have you know that the black metal scene consistently credits them as an influence. Granted, I don't understand that influence considering they sound nothing like modern black metal, but hey...


There are a lot of what if's in life Donny. What if I hit you really hard in the face, knocked yo shit to the back of yo skull? What if I....had you girl gargle my nuts? The fact remains, you are a fuckin mutant.
 
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Ice2SeeYou
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PostPosted: Sep 16 2010 10:51 am Reply with quote Back to top

JRA wrote:
Syd Lexia wrote:
Mercyful Fate are influential. Metallica covered them and stuff.


If that's sarcasm, I'll have you know that the black metal scene consistently credits them as an influence. Granted, I don't understand that influence considering they sound nothing like modern black metal, but hey...

Probably because they took Satanism to a whole new level, god bless them.


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Rake
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PostPosted: Sep 18 2010 04:37 am Reply with quote Back to top

JRA wrote:
Syd Lexia wrote:
Mercyful Fate are influential. Metallica covered them and stuff.


If that's sarcasm, I'll have you know that the black metal scene consistently credits them as an influence. Granted, I don't understand that influence considering they sound nothing like modern black metal, but hey...


Black Metal is generally classed in three sub categories, referred to as first, second or third wave. Wave being the standardised term because the change was basically linear, and progressed with the age of what was originally deemed "Black" metal.

In a nutshell, first wave sounds nothing like what you're used to hearing now, because you obviously only listen to modern 3rd wave bands, and maybe know that you should drop a few 2nd wave band names just to be safe, so that the insane trve black metal fans dont threaten to do unnameable things to your person. Bands like Venom who had far more in common with classic Heavy Metal groups like Judas Priest, Black Sabbath, and Kiss.

It was the 2nd wave, in the early 90's, where black metal began to share more common bonds with the rapidly expanding area of death, and then totally established genre of thrash. Darkthrone are a great example, completely abandoning thier death styled entry to the industry, despite the objection of thier label, to pursue this new, rawer, more primitive exploration of the techniques and roots of metal. Deliberately gritty production, thrashy, minimal drums and guitar with punky d beats, and repetative power chords, blended with deathy blasts and tremolo picked minor scales.

3rd wave took on the same dissonant, minor melodied and somewhat baroque qualities that 2nd wave proved to be popular, and went further. They added glorious keyboard and synth instruments to the mix, though the production values changed, forsaking the previous requirement of the gritty, dirty, static atmosphere. 2nd wavers mostly shunned this style and its fans, as too much of a deviation from what they had come to recognise as the expression of "black" metal. These are bands like Dimmu Borgir, Old Mans Child etc. Lots of them are fucking AWESOME, but unfortunately many are not, yet this style is typically what punters decide need be held candle to.

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PostPosted: Sep 18 2010 11:14 am Reply with quote Back to top

I always liked how Kiss's image never matched with their sound, then years later a bunch of Black Metal dudes in Europe crafted a sound that matches said image.



 
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Syd Lexia
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PostPosted: Sep 18 2010 11:40 am Reply with quote Back to top

JRA wrote:
Syd Lexia wrote:
Mercyful Fate are influential. Metallica covered them and stuff.

If that's sarcasm, I'll have you know that the black metal scene consistently credits them as an influence. Granted, I don't understand that influence considering they sound nothing like modern black metal, but hey...

No, I wasn't being sarcastic. Metallica wouldn't have covered them if they didn't like them and they didn't want to expose their music to a large audience. And they are indeed influential.

A band can be important without being commercially successful. A lot of grunge bands cite Husker Du and Mudhoney as the start of that movement, and most people who aren't into that scene haven't heard of them.
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JRA
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PostPosted: Sep 18 2010 09:26 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Ah, alright. My bad for misunderstanding your candor. See to me it just seems like because of the seething hatred for Metallica's fanbase that the number one sign of an ignorant music fan is that a band is important because Metallica covered them. Combine that you choosing to end your sentence with "and stuff" led me to believe that you were just being a dick. My bad then.


There are a lot of what if's in life Donny. What if I hit you really hard in the face, knocked yo shit to the back of yo skull? What if I....had you girl gargle my nuts? The fact remains, you are a fuckin mutant.
 
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Blackout
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PostPosted: Sep 19 2010 03:05 am Reply with quote Back to top

I always dug Mudhoney, not sure why they never got popular.



 
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Captain_Pollution
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PostPosted: Sep 19 2010 04:28 am Reply with quote Back to top

They were kind of big in the United Kingdom, I think.


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PostPosted: Sep 22 2010 05:48 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I like it, but no black metal?? That kinnda sucks. Burzum should be on the list, least mayhem. Some of you should check out M8L8TH, you'll have your minds blown as they are some of the greatest black metal in years, and they are one of the best bands ever.
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