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Foreword: We all know what the Super Smash Bros. tiers are, right? Think of this as the same thing, but for metal bands.
While it would be fine and dandy if everyone could just like what they like without hassle, and that the genre of metal would conform to the music instead of the music conforming to descriptions of the genre, the truth is, that’s never gonna happen. The idea of what bands are “better than others” and such is talked about on a subconscious level all the time in metal circles. What bands are universally hated, universally loved, to the point that if one smart ass punk tries to be the minority and says “hey, I don’t think these guys are (that great/that bad)”, fanboys will come out of the wood work and throttle you (who I have dubbed and will refer to as the "True Metal Police,” or TMP). So, I have decided to submit for discussion, a “Heavy metal tier list.”
Each tier represents how high of a standing each band has within not only metal circles, but with outsiders as well. But because this list is based on the subjective silliness of street credibility, it’s the self-important metal police who have the final say in who’s hot and who’s not. Each band in each tier is in order from most relevant to least relevant (depending on the tier determines whether or not they are good or bad), so if Death is above Dio, you can bet your Hammer of Thor that Death is regarded higher by metal circles than Dio. This list is meant to be somewhat comprehensive, informative, and humorus. So while I expect this to start violent and angry discussion in which at least three people are banned (myself excluded of course ), that doesn’t mean you can’t get a chuckle or two.
One thing to note is yes, this is more biased to the 80’s than any other decade. Most of the people who were around then do in fact think this was the golden age of metal. Hell for some of you old farts around here, this might be trip through high school and various arguments you may have had with each other And while Nirvana did not actually wipe everything out in 1992, the fact is, that’s when most people who grew up with metal got old, got married, got fired, and in general just stopped caring about the newer bands. So the true metal bands of the 90’s great as they may be, just won’t be as regarded highly as Maiden or Priest. People are fucking weird you know?
Anyways, without further ado...
The Heavy Metal tier list:
I. The Golden Gods (if you don’t at least respect these bands, you are not metal)
Black Sabbath (Ozzy)
Metallica (1983-1991)
Iron Maiden
Judas Priest
II. Top Tier (bands who if you declare out loud that they suck, the True Metal Police will be up your ass)
Motorhead
Megadeth
Slayer
Black Sabbath (Dio)
Dio
Mercyful Fate
III. Manowar
Manowar *
*Manowar get their own tier because of split fan reaction. On the one hand you have people that sing their praises as the best ever, and that if you don’t like them “you aren’t metal” but on the other side, you have people who think they are the worst band ever, and those people will say that if you do like them, then “you aren’t metal.”
IV. 2nd Tier (bands who if you declare out loud that they suck, the TMP will interrogate you, but shall not penetrate your anus)
Ozzy (solo)
Venom
Anthrax
Helloween
WASP
Exodus
Testament
Overkill
Queensryche
Savatage
King Diamond
Fates Warning
Blind Guardian
Candlemass
Rainbow
IV. Hard-rock bands that kick ass, but aren’t quite metal @:
Led Zeppelin
Deep Purple
AC/DC
Van Halen
Rush
KISS
Queen
Thin Lizzy
UFO
Motley Crue
Guns N Roses
@These bands are a bit more digestable, and therefore acceptable by the mainstream. You’ve probably had the conversation with someone where you tell them you like heavy metal, and then the other person says, “oh that’s cool, I like Zeppelin, AC/DC, etc.” This basically says to the metal fan “I like the sound of heavy rock music, but I’m way too cool to be caught listening to Slayer, so I’ll just stick with the pedestrian stuff.” For whatever reason, these bands just aren’t that “metal” in the eyes of the true fans (not necessarily the TMP). Not saying that these aren’t great bands, but they just not metal.
Va. Top tier Extreme bands *
Death
Celtic Frost
Bathory
Hellhammer
Carcass
Sepultura (1985-1991)
Vb. Middle Tier extreme bands
At The Gates
In Flames (early)
Possessed
Kreator
Immortal
Mayhem
Cannibal Corpse (nobody in their right mind will admit out loud these guys are better than anyone)
*Most people write off bands who sing in an aggressive a-melodic style and whose music is the least accessible of all. This tier represents all the quality bands, but they’re just “too heavy” for the casual folks.
VI. Bands that wrote great songs, but ruined it for everyone *
Pantera
Rage Against The Machine
* Most bands today either sound like 4th rate RATM or Pantera ripoffs, and the majority retard fans wouldn’t have it any other way. Pantera and Rage are both quality bands, but let’s face it, if they never existed, modern metal would be completely different today.
VII. Middle tier (Bands that would be enforced by TMP as bands that are “Cool to like” but nobody important has heard of them)
Sleep
High On Fire
Neurosis
Isis
Cynic
Om
Boris
Sunn 0)))))
Harvey Milk
Trap Them
VIII. Low Tier (Modern bands that the more “in the now” TMP officers approve of, and the rest of the TMP will only like them on a good day, {but on a bad day, the TMP will skullfuck your ass})
Mastodon
System Of A Down
Children of Bodom
Opeth
Arch Enemy
IX. Gay ass hair metal
Dokken
Ratt
Warrant
Poison
Slaughter
Extreme
Everybody else from the 80’s that isn’t WASP, Motley Crue, or Guns N Roses
X. Fruity fairy power metal
Kamelot
Iced Earth
Hammerfall
Amon Amarth
Nocturnal Rites
Nightwish
Nevermore
Edguy
Symphony X
Dragonforce
XI. Bottom of the barrel (gay ass Ozzf-core bands that TMP will kill you for liking)
Machine Head
Lamb Of God
Shadows Fall
The Haunted
In Flames (new)
Hatebreed
God Forbid
Chaimara
Killswitch Engage
Avenged Sevenfold
Soulfly
Slipknot
XII. Stupid gay eyeliner shit
Nine-inch Nails
Ateryu
Marilyn Manson
Dope
Kittie
XIII. Date rape music (seriously, if you like these guys, get AIDS)
HIM
Linkin Park
Korn
Disturbed
Limp Bizkit
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I'd say I agree with the majority of that.
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Don't know all of them, but what I do know seems fair enough I suppose. I especially appreciate the Manowar tier (I'm one of the long suffering fans who keep getting told I must be homoerotic for liking their music...despite the fact that being "homoerotic" in my case would, I assume, make me a straight female...), and I also appreciate the "Hard Rock Banks that kick ass but aren't metal." I've always had trouble drawing the line between the two aurally, and this at least gave me a place to think about drawing the division.
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I gave Manowar their own tier for comedic purposes more than anything else.
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I'm pretty sure Obituary, Deicide, and Morbid Angel deserve mention in the "Top Tier Extreme Bands." I wouldn't say that Cynic deserves to be lumped in with the "bands no one's heard of".
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I approve of this post. Except for a few things...
1. I believe Tool and/or A Perfect Circle deserve a spot somewhere up there.
2. I think Metallica could either be put in Tier 1 or Tier 4 depending on the album. I, personally, would put them closer to hard rock than metal due to some of their stuff.
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| I wouldn't say that Cynic deserves to be lumped in with the "bands no one's heard of". |
They only put out one album 15 years ago and only recently came back. They might get some more popularity if they keep going, but as of right now, I'm keeping them in the "unknown" section
Also, I'm not exactly sure where to put Tool. But I'm pretty sure the "True Metal Police" fucking hate them because of their obnoxious fan base, "The Tool Police."
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| JRA wrote: |
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| I wouldn't say that Cynic deserves to be lumped in with the "bands no one's heard of". |
They only put out one album 15 years ago and only recently came back. They might get some more popularity if they keep going, but as of right now, I'm keeping them in the "unknown" section
Also, I'm not exactly sure where to put Tool. But I'm pretty sure the "True Metal Police" fucking hate them because of their obnoxious fan base, "The Tool Police
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The thing about Cynic is, that one album was incredibly influential in terms of it's technical/jazz death metal fusion that had only been dabbled in by Atheist and Death at that point, and even they hadn't pushed it to the point that Cynic did.
And Tool isn't even a metal band. I like them, but they are not metal. Same with SOAD, and RATM, so I don't know why they're included. Along with half of the "Ozzfest tier" and "eyeliner tier", but I suppose it was to be inferred. I'll listen to whataver I like, personally, without worrying about the TMP beating down my door for listening to blink-182 right after Vio-lence.
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SOAD get too much crap for a simple business decision to get a national exposure on a tour that is very often confused for a trend cesspool, i.e. Ozzfest. They definitely deserve more respect.
as for Rage, no they aren't exactly metal, but as I explained in the first post, way too many bands ripped them off which ultimately created a horribly derivative sound.
Besides enshin, you don't want Pantera sitting in the "bands that ruined it for everyone" tier all by themselves do you?
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SOAD get too much crap for a simple business decision to get a national exposure on a tour that is very often confused for a trend cesspool, i.e. Ozzfest. They definitely deserve more respect.
as for Rage, no they aren't exactly metal, but as I explained in the first post, way too many bands ripped them off which ultimately created a horribly derivative sound.
Besides enshin, you don't want Pantera sitting in the "bands that ruined it for everyone" tier all by themselves do you?  |
Meh, I guess. I wouldn't mind, though, as Pantera, while kickass and my second favorite metal band, was the inspiration for a ton of shitty nu- and -core bands. You could also add In Flames to that tier, even though they're already on another tier, as their melodeth was a huge part of -core as well.
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I admit it, I am not a fan of Iron Maiden, but I'm still a damn metalhead. Megadeth's meh, and I hate Dave Mustaine. Also, what about Gamma Ray? Helloween is there, but still.
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| Also, what about Gamma Ray? Helloween is there, but still. |
Funny you should mention that, I actually fucking love Gamma Ray and they were originally in the list. But when I was using this as a sandbox on a previous, more music oriented site, I was called out on the fact that I was a huge Gamma Ray nut swinger and the only reason they were there to begin with was because of personal bias.
Being that I wanted this list to be as neutral (a loosely used term I admit) as possible (which is why I actually included *gasp* Guns N Roses), I removed Gamma Ray from the list. You're the only person that's complained about it so far.
So why don't you like Iron Maiden?
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I most definitely do not agree with the position of Nine Inch Nails. Trent Reznor doesn't even wear eyeliner, but that's beside the point. I'm offended that Nine Inch Nails is even in the same category as Atreyu. Atreyu isn't even heavy metal, just crap.
But I did get a laugh out of the fact that all of the bands in the Date Rape Music category are all the bands that people at my school listen to if they don't listen to country.
I absolutely agree with the position of Avenged Sevenfold and Killswitch Engage. Such overrated bands...
I know I'm probably going to be slaughtered for this, but...AC/DC does not kick any kind of ass, under any circumstances, whatsoever. The music is sub-par at best, and I can basically sum up every single song's vocals with this: "BLAAHHH! BLAUGH! BLAAAAAAHHHH!"
Oh, and where are Rammstein and Napalm Death?
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| Cameron wrote: |
I most definitely do not agree with the position of Nine Inch Nails. Trent Reznor doesn't even wear eyeliner, but that's beside the point. I'm offended that Nine Inch Nails is even in the same category as Atreyu. Atreyu isn't even heavy metal, just crap.
But I did get a laugh out of the fact that all of the bands in the Date Rape Music category are all the bands that people at my school listen to if they don't listen to country.
I absolutely agree with the position of Avenged Sevenfold and Killswitch Engage. Such overrated bands...
I know I'm probably going to be slaughtered for this, but...AC/DC does not kick any kind of ass, under any circumstances, whatsoever. The music is sub-par at best, and I can basically sum up every single song's vocals with this: "BLAAHHH! BLAUGH! BLAAAAAAHHHH!"
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I had not had you pegged as a listener of Napalm Death. Many kudos. And if we're going to throw in, Repulsion needs props as the inventors of grind as well. But Rammstein isn't metal, just industrial rock, along with NIN. While I dig some NIN every once in a while, they're not metal. As far as Industrial Metal goes, the only band I listen to in that genre is White Zombie, but I am aware of Godflesh, Ministry...and that's about it.
And I'm going to give a big "FALSE" to your AC/DC comments. But eh, to each his own.
I should point out that there was a thrash metal band called Disturbed that kicked the everlongin' shit out of the modern band Disturbed (even if I don't mind them every once in a while.) Believe it or not, amongst the ten or so tracks of ass-kickery on their album, there was one track, "Brain Deth" that had, believe it or not, pig squealing. In 1988.
So if anyone tells you that Job for a Cowboy were "innovative", point to Disturbed '88 and say "You lose." JFAC sucks anyway, along with all deathcore. I guess that could be added to the "date rape music" section, but that's my own bias creeping in. (I did write a 14-page rant against the genre, after all.)
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| Also, what about Gamma Ray? Helloween is there, but still. |
So why don't you like Iron Maiden? |
I just don't find them as godly as most people make them out to be.
And I'll have to agree with Cam's look on AC/DC, they're decent at best.
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| Ba‘al wrote: |
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| Also, what about Gamma Ray? Helloween is there, but still. |
So why don't you like Iron Maiden? |
I just don't find them as godly as most people make them out to be.
And I'll have to agree with Cam's look on AC/DC, they're decent at best. |
Same here, AC/DC is just boring. Iron Maiden on the other hand...
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I never really understood why Iced Earth is considered power metal. They sound much more thrash to me.
But as mentioned in a thread above, I fully support adding Gamma Ray to the list along side Helloween.
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| Ba'al wrote: |
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| Also, what about Gamma Ray? Helloween is there, but still. |
So why don't you like Iron Maiden? |
I just don't find them as godly as most people make them out to be.
And I'll have to agree with Cam's look on AC/DC, they're decent at best. |
I just don't calculate how someone can consider themselves a metal head and not like Iron Maiden. To me, it's like saying you are a fan of British Comedy but not Monty Python. You vex my brain.
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I never said I didn't like them, I just don't find them outstanding.
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Bump to a worthwhile thread.
What do you guys think of Amorphis? I loved their first two full-length albums, The Karelin Isthmus and Tales from the Thousand Lakes. Elegy was alright, but a departure from the earlier material. I haven't listened to any of their later stuff.
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Dude, Tier X should all be Tier 3. Or Maybe Tier Zero. Those bands are the best.
I revoke your metal card.
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