Cameron wrote:

Post-hardcore. Worst genre in existence.

Out of curiosity what bands made you hate post-hardcore or why do you hate post-hardcore?

I like to think i like most genres and am open to most music however i cannot stand:

Post-rock revival/garage rock revival, i.e. these bands:

The Killers
Interpol
Kings of Leon
The Libertines
Arctic Monkeys
Bloc Party
Editors
Franz Ferdinand

Total shit, generic, boring and all bands in the underground strive to be them. Fucking jangle pop all sounds the damn same.

Greg the White wrote:

Free-form jazz. It's jazz where you wiggle your fingers more in between notes. It takes seriously about zero talent to play, and is just a complete earsore to listen to.

I hate when people say shit like "oh you just throw your arms in the air and make random notes".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrzOzgYL1-o

I don't find that hard to listen to and also besides free jazz is an avant-garde style of jazz. It's understandable that most people wont like it since it doesn't conform to the normal standards of music.

However nonconformity is what makes it interesting. However i can see that some people might find that listening to music say written using notation other than western standard or using the 43 tone scale (aka Harry Partch) as opposed to the 12 tone scale we are used to difficult to listen to.

"Difficult to listen to" the key phrase here.

*enter pretentious mode*

Some music exists that you have to understand theory to be able to listen to and i mean listen to in the broadest way. You don't listen to for enjoyment but for the complexity of it or how it is put together. Free jazz is an example of this. It's sporadic and doesn't conform to normal musical standards.

Average Joe #23 on the street won't want to listen to that, you have to appreciate it for what it's worth in the context of musical theory and since most people don't have any knowledge of musical theory it's obvious that it wil be deemed as shit.

E.G.



Watch that. Naked City was created by Zorn as a musical experiment to test how far the limit of a standard musical group could be pushed to in terms of playing different genres etc.

SOME people do listen to it but it's not intended to be listened to really like i said its an experiment.

Yet you see people go onto it and go "this is shit".

Not all music is designed to be listened to but to be appreciated by musical snobs such as myself.

Quote:

Naked City was an avant-garde music group led by saxophonist and composer John Zorn. Active primarily in New York City from 1988 to 1993, Naked City was initiated by Zorn as a "composition workshop" [1] to test the limits of composition (and improvisation) in a traditional rock band lineup. Their music incorporated recognizable elements of jazz, surf, classical, heavy metal, grindcore, country music, punk rock and other genres.

joshwoodzy wrote:

Any band that spends more than 20% of an album devoted to noise. Radiohead is extremely guilty of this. Wilco is one of my favorite bands, but they always have a weird noisy track and it's distracting and obnoxious.

Not a fan of noise rock then? lol

NERO wrote:

I also like Free Jazz. I am pretty sure there is no way to make brass sound bad. Also I am surprised nobody here hates Harsh Noise the most. I really like it, but you might want to turn your speakers down a lot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xIv8hIa9UI God damn, Merzbow.

I like noise and all but i just find that boring, it's listenable though.



Dissonance - i love it.

Greg the White wrote:

I get free jazz, and I appreciate experimentation, but just because you change your tempo and blow into your saxophone like a four-year-old while wiggling your fingers doesn't make it any less unpleasurable for the non-pretentious. I love jazz, and I used to go to concerts all the time, but now it's basically a crapshoot where I can either get some music to dance to, some faux-beatnik poetry crap, or some guy too lazy to write a melody. To me, it basically sounds like a bad band being bad on purpose for the sake of weird. It always pains me to call something pretentious and dismiss it, because I don't like to tell people what to like, but I really can't see someone actively enjoying that beyond thinking that their appreciation of it makes them feel superior to everyone else.

I'm glad you didn't perceive my post as me being a dick cause i read it and seemed like i was being an asshole which is not true at all.

Like there's some free jazz i've seen online mainly on youtube and it's just awful but there is some stuff which is really quite good to listen to and is done by professional musicians. There's a free jazz album by John Coltrane that was rated 5/5 and rightly so, listening to it though its like 40 minutes long each musician performing a solo and there is a sort of underlying song within that 40 minutes and the song isn't really up there in your face. It's hard to describe in words but it's really different to the stuff you see online.

I agree to an extent what your saying but like i said in the last paragraph there's a varying quality in the free jazz material and some of it is good and quite listenable while some of it is total shit.

Like compare this:



...which is pretty awful

to this



which even though it is meant to be freeform it seems a lot more structured than the video above.

Cameron wrote:

From the bands you list, it sounds like you're thinking of post-punk rather than post-rock. I can understand you disliking Arctic Monkeys, Franz Ferdinand, Libertines, the Killers, and ESPECIALLY Kings of Leon, as I don't care for them either, but what turns you off about Interpol & Editors? If anything, they don't particularly sound like any of the other bands you listed (or like each other, for that matter. I haven't heard anything by Bloc Party, so I can't say much there. Also, none of those bands are jangle pop. I really don't like post-hardcore because I can't stand the vocals. I think another part of the problem is that most of the people in my school listen to nothing but post-hardcore, and the twelve-year-old-imitating-a-grindcore-vocalist singing combined with the fact that I have to constantly hear it/hear about it makes me never want to hear it again. I'm open for suggestions, though.

They aren't jangle pop but the guitar sounds nearly identical to me, it's hard to explain in words why i hate them so much. Watch the video below:



Every one of them sounds like that to me with their stupid jangly guitar riffs that all those bands have. Then i look at the comment on the video:

"djfsilva I predict a great future for this Band... "

All the bands that come out now sound exactly like that, attempting to be the next bit thing with the exact same sound and it's just boring as fuck and it's why i have become so jaded with the mainstream music at the moment. Those bands are just poor imitations of good bands from the 80s aka XTC, Joy Division, The Smiths etc and there is no originality in what they do, none whatsoever. The editors and interpol fit into that category as well.

Apologies, i meant post-punk i don't know why i wrote post-rock.

In respect to post-hardcore i don't know what you have been listening to... lol

On saying that i don't listen to grind-core so i don't know what the vocals sound like but in the stuff i listen to it doesn't really sound like a 12 year old, though i think i may know what your referring to. - okay i youtubed grindcore lol i don't know what your referring to.

Oh wait... i youtubed "post-hardcore" - now i think i get what you mean.. to be honest i didn't even know these bands existed what i am referring to is like proper post-hardcore or first wave or whatever you want to call it. The original post-hardcore. Bands like Fugazi, Jawbox etc. is what i listen to and it's a lot different to those bands i just found out about there now.

I presume this is what your referring to?



Yeah i don't listen to that, more this:



and



- song starts at 55secs and it's a bit quiet you'll need to turn it up a bit.

Yeah Fugazi and Jawbox sound A LOT different to those other bands.

Cameron wrote:

^ In regards to the video you linked as an example of post-punk revival, I do see what you mean, as a lot of recent post-punk revival bands have a tendency to take Interpol's sound and make it sound terribly generic. I was more confused about Editors because, though they're in the post-punk revival genre, they have more of a synth-y feel to them. Case in point: Also, just out of curiosity, have you heard White Lies? They're my personal favorite post-punk revival band: I do agree with you in the fact that the post-punk revival bands of today will never reach the greatness of post-punk bands of the original movement, though (at least not as good as Joy Division, the Chameleons, the Smiths, or Bauhaus). That first link you posted for post-hardcore is EXACTLY what I was talking about. I loathe that filth, particulary the way the vocals in every single band seem to constantly shift between a preteen trying to vomit knives and a schoolgirl. However...the Jawbox song you posted, "Savory", is phenomenal. Is For Your Own Special Sweetheart a good album? I'm thinking I might check it out. The Fugazi song is also pretty good.

I haven't heard of White Lies i will listen to it shortly.

Yeah like i said the first link post-hardcore i wasn't even aware that was regarded as post-hardcore i always presumed it was something like metalcore or something. Yeah Jawbox kick ass, yes i would highly recommend getting "For Your Own Special Sweetheart" they re-released it recently (with extra songs) so it will be easier to come by. When i tried to get it i had to order it used from the U.S cause nowhere had it. Anything yes it's a really good album. They have another three albums, Grippe, Novelty and Jawbox, i would check out them all but more specifically Novelty and Jawbox. Also if you like Jawbox you could try out Burning Airlines that's J Robbins (singer of Jawbox) next band after Jawbox split up - they sound quite like them.

Repeater by Fugazi is off the Repeater album it's a good album as well, i would recommend it too.

I would embed this but it's disabled but here's Cooling Card off For Your Own Special Sweetheart.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qKVqcgXN34

Mirrorfull off Jawbox

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcDx3oAhOp0&feature=related

Cut Off off Novelty

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmVwAXjFO9g&feature=related

Here's some Burning Airlines as well - A lexicon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUSMdHcZBgQ

If you have Spotify you can listen to For Your Own Special Sweetheart on their as well. Also you live in the US you will probably have better luck at getting the albums than i. I still haven't got a physical copy of Jawbox i had to buy it from itunes.

NERO wrote:

Free jazz is in fact the punk of jazz. I like things that are intentionally bad. I like the sloppiest, drunkest punk bands possible. It is awesome. It is largely dance music to me. If I saw some free jazz live I would start a mosh pit.

okay this may look weird as im typing on my ps3. Punk jazz is a genre! Look up The Plot to Blow Up the Eiffel Tower or Skeriks Syncopated Taint Septet , there are other bands but ive yet to look them up.